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Sorry to hear about the impending divorce I hope you get to keep your stuff. Glad to see you still have the rig. I was wondering why we had not heard from you lately. I have the 1974 open cab CF that last served Dunbar Pa and love taking it out. The rig is curently being stored in Pa with a good friend of mine who gets to take her out and enjoy her. Looking forward to seeing the progress with your rig.

Don Holden

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Hello Angelo, you should not have any major issues. I have repowered 2 C model fire trucks with ENDTF 673's. I needed to swap out the front motor mount, have radiator top tube moved, and a few other modifications but nothing crazy. The C model gassers already were plumbed with a return fuel line and I'm sure your B is plumbed the same. When finished I replaced the carrier with one with a 4.25 ratio which gave it a nice speed range in the low 60 MPH range. Totally changed the truck. I have had nothing but trouble with the 707. After the repower I would take the trucks just about any where. Good luck with the repower and feel free to call me any time. Don

Hello Doug,

What ratio are you looking for and do you just need the carrier or the axels also. I may have one lying around.

Don H

I don't know what the cost to restore the gauges would be compared to replacing them. Watts Mack who sponsers this site sells them.

Sorry to hear about the scrappers. Your truck would have been delivered with 4 6 Volt batteries divided into two banks A and B. They would have been wired in series so that the output would be a total of 12 volts per bank. From the factory the truck would have been positive ground. In my truck/s I have gone to group 31 12 volt batteries run in parallel. I think the cost of the 6 volt and 12 volt batteries are comparable. I also use the batteries that have the bolt on top to mount the cable. this allows me to put a wing nut on so the batteries can be easily disconnected when the truck is not in use. The battery cable should be 2/0. I will try and get you a photo of how there set up in the next few days.

Good luck Don

Name: MACK C85 (1967)

Date Added: 29 April 2014 - 08:40 PM

Owner: VALS327

Short Description: MACK C85 75' AERIAL SCOPE ORIGINALL SERVED MISSOULA MT THEN EVERGREEN FIRE DEPT

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Name: MACK C125 (1965)

Date Added: 29 April 2014 - 08:22 PM

Owner: VALS327

Short Description: 1965 MACK C125 1250 GPM ORIGINALLY SERVED NORTH PATCHOUGE NY THEN UNION GROVE AL

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Name: MACK C95 (1966)

Date Added: 29 April 2014 - 08:09 PM

Owner: VALS327

Short Description: 1966 MACK C95 1000 GPM PUMPER SERVED SWANSEA MA

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That sucks!!!!! I know the feeling. I hope you can work things out with him. Any chance you could find him another C Model and swap. There was a really nice one on Craigs List in Redding Ct priced right. I would have bought it myself but my wife thinks our fleet is big enough already.

Joemac,

They are the same gauges. Mack did a great job of using the same parts in different models. The C model drive train parts will cross with B model parts.

Enjoy the rig,

Don

Be crazy not to go its the opening day of fire truck season in the north east

This is the first Mack I drove it is a 1978 Mack CF685 from the Long Hill Fire Department located in Trumbull CT. The rig had a sister to it which was engine 205. Both were refurbished by Pierce and enclosed cabs were added using Mack doors.

Thanks satellite 3 is a neat truck and the Mack brings back many good memories

Hello Chief Doug,

Any chance you can post a photo of satellite 3. It would be great to see it at the Pump Primers show in Harrisburg Pa on July 12, 2014. If you have never been there they typically have around 50 trucks drafting along the river. I'm sure we could easily find volunteers to supply lines to the 4,000 gpm monitor. I myself am not normally an ALF follower but seeing as the Satellite truck was made to support a Mack product I can bend on this one. Also if you have any photos of Engine 205 since it returned home from Westport, New Canaan and a brief visit to Stamford we would also like to see it.

Thanks,

Don Holden

One of the things I always say to my car friends is how easy they have it. Call year One and get any part you need.

Hello,

I've been doing some poking around on the computer. The photographer Ron Roberts has a Face Book page named Robertsnot5150 Emergency Response videos. I am not a Face Book member but maybe you could make contact with him there

Hello,

My heart sank when you mentioned Harvey and then I realized he sent me an email several hours before I red your post.

In reference to the C Model Cabs its been my experience that the early ones from Sidney Ohio are slightly different. The drivers seat is mounted on a box frame that extends from the passenger side. as seen on page 24 of Harvey's C Model book. later cabs the box was used to mount the passenger side seat bottom and the drivers seat was mounted on a pedestal. The rear sliding window on the earlier cabs was attached to the cab itself while the Allentown cabs the rear sliding window is attached to the canopy section. The first cabs also had framework and a skin under the headlights which was not visible because the front bumper covered it. This was deleted early on during production and a piece of triangle shaped flat metal was added for support. The panel that the rear of the dog house on the Ohio cabs slightly differs also. They were made of a large sheet of sheet metal with a wire mesh covered opening leading to the pump area. The opening on later cabs was just an open space and the framework was also different.

Other changes were mainly cosmetic such as the dash cluster of the Ohio cabs were finished with a different metal then the Allentown cabs. The defroster on the Ohio cabs were mounted to the center post between the windshields while the Allentown cabs had slots in the dash located by the window. The head liner in the Ohio Cabs I believe were mesh with a thin layer of foam attached while the Allentown cabs had a one piece pre formed piece of fiberglass. The location of the switches on the dash was also slightly different and an obvious change was the headlights. I can not put my finger on when all of these changes were made. I do believe that some of the early cabs produced in Allentown carried over some of the Ohio features and were changed to its final configuration by 1961/62.

In reference to the wider cab. I have heard from a reputable source that there were two different size windshields for the C Model. Its my opinion that the cabs were the same width but the earlier Ohio cabs may have had a larger space on the post located between the windshields. After looking at C model windshields they appear to be reversible.

The C85 is a 750 gpm, the C95 is 1,000 gpm, and the C125 is a 1,250 GPM when referring to a pumper. all three of these came standard with the ENF 707B/C. After 1960 there was an option for an ENDTF 673. With this option came the oil bath air cleaner and a tachometer on the dash. You could add the oil bath air cleaner and dash tachometer to the rigs with the ENF 707B/C. The Vin for a C85 with the 707B/C would read as follows C85F XXXX. The C indicates the model, the 85 indicates the pump size, and the F indicates fire line. If the rig was a diesel then the Vin would read C85FD XXXX. The D indicates Diesel. The last four numbers are the production number in the run for the series.

There were several other odd ball models with low production numbers C505, C75, and the C21. The C505 had a 500 gpm pump with the ENF464A or ENF540 engines. The C75F was 750 gpm with the ENF464A or ENF540 engines. The C21 was 1000 GPM or larger with the Hall Scott motor.

Sorry for going on so long with my post I hope I was able to clear things up. The information in my post is based on my observations and information from Harvey's book on the Mack C Model.

Don

Hello Joe,

Welcome, the C model Mack is my favorite. Have you tried to contact the person who posted the photos on flcker. This has worked for me in the past when I was trying to find where a rig was. Good luck trying to locate and acquire the rig. Sound like you would be a good care taker for her with your memories. Look forward to hearing how things go with your hunt.

Don

Hello Joe,

I do understand that you are not on the site trying to raise money. I enjoyed hearing about the progress of your rig from when you guys initially got it. I too consider the other members of the sight my friends. If I had the parts needed to put your rig back on the road they would be offered to you.

There are a lot of great people here that have many acomplisments in both their profesional and personal lives. I believe that if I am able to help a friend then I do so as best I can. It seems to me that in this situation the only way I can help is sending money. I did not intend to send the wrong message to you. I would still like to make a donation to your department so if you could either post the contact information or send it to me in a PM that would be great.

Thanks

Don

Hello Joe,

Sorry to hear about all the problems the fire department is having getting the parts needed and replacing the older truck. Speaking for myself I had been a Volunteer fire fighter when groing up. I am no longer involved but it was a great time. The voulunteer fire service is where I got my set of values that I live my life by. It is also where I got my love of Mack trucks. Through collecting Mack Fire Apparatus I have met many great people accross the country and have formed a relationship with the Rangers Hose Company in Girrardville Pa. If you would post the contact information for your fire department I would like to send a check for $100.00 to put towards the repair of the CF and replacement of the older rig. This would be my way of giving something back to the fire service. I hope some of the other Big Mack Truck members also have good memories and would also be willing to help your cause.

Thanks,

Don Holden

Joe, Glad to hear you guys found a parts wagon and a second CF to put in service. I know I my preference is Mack trucks but in my opinion the Mack CF was the work horse of the Fire service for many years. Good luck with your rigs.

Great looking truck, the front windshields should be easy to get. When I needed a set a couple of years ago I just called Watts Mack and had them shipped out with a new gasket.