I dunno any more. I have had 3 Cat loaders in the past 6 years, with a combined 26,000 hours on them. The first one was the best, we ran nearly 13,000 hours on it with little problems. and the quality and serviceability has gone down significantly since then, and I just signed off to trade out the 7,000 hour machine, and I had to go with a Volvo. The Cat "system" has deteriorated significantly. They are just not as serviceable anymore, and they require more servicing. The dealer support is not getting any better either. I'm not sure that the Volvo will be much better, but I have quite a few friends that have gotten great lives out of the Volvo loader, and they burn less fuel to boot. I will know more in a few months I suppose, as I have yet to take delivery, but I'm optimistic for now.