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Well said farmer 52. Likewise, the Cetane rating for southern tier refineries in the Kansas area was running around 48 for the last 6 months. I suppose in theory you could actually cause the cylinders pre-detonate if the cetane went above 55. Only applicable if you went to 2x to 3x the treat rate for most additives. At 46-48, the cetane # is optimal up to about 52-55. 
 

Speaking of more is better: Funny thing about winter additives - they are designed to chemically alter the shape of the wax crystals so they are more pin-like and pass through the pleats of the filters. At 1x the treat rate, they do this effectively. At 2x, (some additives recommend this (so let's just assume this is the optimum treat rate) nothing more should happen, except you just wasted money. Once the change has taken place adding more has no additional benefit. At 3x, the wax crystals fracture and form x like shapes. It's not ideal. Overtreatment with winter additive can cause you to actually chemically gel up. 

Power Service Diesel 911 is popular around here, but it's straight alcohol and should really only be used for an emergency as it also strips lubricity and raises combustion temps. It is hard on fuel pumps/injectors.

Nice looking Chevy, good to see she still is getting some work in now and then. Thanks for sharing!

I'm with you BillyT, I think I would pass on the gasoline in the diesel to thin it. It used to be you could get away with that on older stuff like 150-1 treat rate. Not so with today's engines. That would strip all the lubricity from it and probably raise the combustion temp or otherwise alter the fuel.

On the ethanol discussion - I think that ethanol is okay to sit so long as the temp stays stable.

My ethanol story - I put my snow blower in the garage and it worked great on E10 oxy gas for 10 years. I move and put it in my shed and the first year it doesn't start. SO I figure it's done for and go get a new snowblower. Put E10 in it. Wouldn't start the other day when I tested it - it's brand new. I took it back to the implement. The mechanic says that it needs a carb kit (for a brand new snowblower!) He asks where I'm storing it. In the shed is the answer, and yes it gets hot and cold in there more so than my garage. No problems in the garage where it stayed cool, but in the shed it gets very hot in the summer and according to the mechanic that causes condensation in the gas he says and their in lies the problem - it's not the ethanol its the water and the ethanol together.

On 10/20/2017 at 8:49 PM, Ezrider said:

depends what your adding additives for and why.

cleaners typically don't do a whole lot, especially when talking gasoline. 

 

fuel stabilizers for gasoline is almost a necessity on anything that sits with today's gas. or run non ethonol if you can find it, there are a few stations here that carry non ethanol premium gas.  diesel iv never had a problem other than water absorption witch is just a filter change. 

 

most older diesels that were made prior to the ulsd mandates came about generally do benefit from a lubricity additive. 75-100:1 2 stroke oil works good as does power service ect. 

 

additives for anti gell.... iv gelled up using anti gell additives of almost every brand. there is no additive like #1 for -40 cold snaps. above 0 no additive required unless maybe if you bought fuel in way south but you probably need a top up by then anyway. what will normally get you is the sudden cold snaps, of +30 to -40 big trucks have less trouble than pickups cause they recirculate a lot of fuel back to the tanks and keep the tanks pretty warm. semi if you leave it running you wont gel. if your going home and its going to be -40 and its going to be shut off for a couple days top it with #1 pickups/light duty trucks are where i have had most of my issues.

Speaking of diesel, typical #2 does not meet the EMA spec of 460 for lubricity. So if that's something you care about that's something worth looking at. Typical #2 untreated is 500-600 for an EMA wear scar test.

As for winter additives, any cold flow improver (anti-gel) will buy you another 15 degrees of protection. A typical gel point for fuel in the Midwest is 6 degrees, untreated. So an anti-gel additive will get you to -9 below. Anything that claims more than that is using a larger micron filter. For example, if it says it will achieve -30 below operability on the bottle, it's likely tested using a 45 micron filter (meaningless).

All branded gas stations now have detergents added to the gas (top tier) so it's not really necessary to add anything else, agreed.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

5 hours ago, Ezrider said:

i try to avoid putting ethonol gas in anything that might sit i have a few places i can get premium that does not contain any. stabilizer will buy you enough time to get threw 4-5 months of non use but that's about the limit even treated. the days of pulling something out that has been sitting for 5 years and starting it on the gas that was still in the tank are long gone. 

iv seen ethanol turn every brass part in a carb green after sitting 6 months not treated. 

New engines seem to be built to handle it. It's hard on any of the older stuff. You talk to any small engine techs and they don't recommend using oxy/ethanol gas.

On 10/20/2017 at 8:24 PM, Keith Pommerening said:

I think my injectors are getting bad, if I add the injector cleaner/lubricator it makes engine run like normal.  It is an Isuzu FTR with the 7.8 litre engine.  Have 320,000+ delivery miles on it.  Have never had to add oil between oil changes at 6500 miles.  The problem I am having:  If I accelerate too fast, or press the pedal too hard before engine is in upper rev-range, engine will go "soft" for a second, loose some power and have an additional mild vibration.  Shut it off and let sit a minute and it will go back to normal.  Some times it like to roll black smoke.  Shows no code on computer.  I started using Lucas fuel treatment and the truck runs properly just about all the time.  If the ratio gets weak the problem re-emergess.  Increase the amount of conditioner and engine runs properly again. 

Suppose to get a new truck after the first of the year, but I think my luck will runout first.  Injectors are $650.00 each and 12 hours labor.  Truck is only worth about $3000.00 the boss tells me.  I am at a satalite wharehouse but at the main wharehouse they have started buying better quality fuel and adding additive and they believe it is worth the expense.  Mostly run ND, MN and MT, yea it gets real cold at times.

You can run Cenex Roadmaster XL (additized fuel) when in ND & MT. Has a strong injection stabilizer package and detergents. Would be curious to hear if that helps.

3 hours ago, farmer52 said:

I am a firm believer in fuel additives.  In my previous life I spent many a day running field tests to develop and evaluate Diesel fuel additives.  I always use Stanadyne Performance Formula in my Diesel powered vehicles/equipment.  Stanadyne recently sold the additive business to Alliant Power.  The same product is now called Ultraguard.  I buy mine from eBay but you may have a local fuel distributor that handles this product.  An alternative is Power Service brand that is available at Wally World and most truck stops.  Some fuel distributors offer a "premium" Diesel fuel with additives.  Get the details from them on what additive package they use and specs.

ULTRAGUARD Benefits:

Restores Engine Power, Torque, & Improves Fuel Economy Increases Cetane for Improved Engine Combustion Cleans Deposits & Eliminates Stiction in Common Rail Injectors Removes Water by Demulsification, Stabilizes, & Protects Against Rust & Corrosion Lubricates Fuel System Reducing Friction & Wear Provides Anti-Gel Protection & Improves Diesel Pour Point Reduces Particulates in Exhaust Aftertreatment Systems (DPF & SCR) Minimizes Filter Clogging from Asphaltenes

Looks like a pretty good additive - detergents for clean up and improved economy - also for injectors. Cetane for cold start up/ignition.
Also in my book, demulsification is the way to go. I've yet to see any OEM endorse the opposite (emulsification). Demulsifying forces water to the bottom of the tank where the water seperator removes it or the water can be removed from the tank. 
Also looks like a storage stabilizer, a cold flow improver (*not necessary except in winter)
The last two claims are also functions of the detergents.
How much do you typically pay for this? (If you don't mind including the treat rate).

Thanks!

10 hours ago, Lmackattack said:

Guy I work for puts in fuel additives in all his machines almost every other fill up. only thing I notice is im changing fuel filters all the time as its dislodging gunk and clogging filters. I think most of it is rust in the tanks as many of them just sit over winter. So i cant say that the additives are helping or not but I sure seam to change them pretty often.

That seems like it would be the detergents in the additive cleaning things up.

The fuel you are getting has a storage stabilizer that is supposed to extend out the life of fuel by 6-9 months. 
 

A University of Idaho study showed a 26% degradation of #2 diesel after just 28 days. Surprising how fast it breaks down.

Wondering what fuel additives people are using (if any)? Any non-believers in additives can comment as well. 

If so what additive do you use?
Was it to address a specific problem? (if so what)

Do you track mileage? Regens?
Has it reduced regens?/Increased mpg

Would you recommend it?

What kind of improvement(s) have you seen?
Why did you decide to use it?

Does it contain - cetane improver? Lubricity improver, etc. (what's in it)
 

On 10/17/2017 at 2:37 PM, Mack Technician said:

Kamp Dogg you cheddar-head 

If Luck is a Lady then Karma is her nasty, hag, sister...

R.I.P. Aaron   

 

I don't believe in Karma. But I did skip church that day so I didn't miss the first quarter of a noon game, and it's no coincidence I think that our QB goes down.

Now, even worse people were talking about the possibility of signing Kapernick. I would  absolutely stop watching if they did that. Fortunately, it hasn't come to that. I couldn't stand to look at him with his beats headphones saying things like:"It was defense, yo!" :=

This truck was used on the Antigo Wisconsin potato farms as an irrigation truck after it's useful life of hauling potatoes was up. I believe it was made in 1957. The interior (sorry no pics) was olive green. It's been on the farm ever since. A collector from Wausau, WI purchased it for $1800 last week It runs great. Needs some paint. Will try to get photos of the restoration.
 

Here in Green Bay, tickets have been sold out for every home game since the 1960's. I guess in Jacksonville or San Diego I could see that people would be pissed. I'm just saying I don't see it happening here. Then again, Green Bay is not your average big NFL city.

I will defend anyone's right to peacefully protest, even if it stands against everything I believe. That in it's essence is what freedom is.

The people in Ferguson are clearly a different type of protester.

You all want the right to free speech but you want to criticize those who do it. That in essence is your opinion and you are entitled to it. 
I agree that showing proper respect to the flag is appropriate. However, I don't think it should be mandatory as it would be in say, Nazi Germany. You want to fire people or otherwise punish them for not saluting the flag?! WTF! As for me, I will honor God and Country and in that order. I will do it voluntarily and not be forced to do it. 

Senator John McCain will defend their right to protest all day. War veteran and POW. Not a turncoat. Understands the value of freedom. "The prisoner of war, who was held and tortured for five-and-a-half years in Vietnam, struck back at the president's attack on athletes who take a knee in protest." 

For those of you who aren't watching the NFL because of this circus sideshow distraction good for you...don't. Football has never been about politics for me, if anything it's an escape from that. All this extra stuff appeals to people who don't care about the games. I could care less about what goes on between plays, and I suspect most of you don't really follow football anyway or you wouldn't be turning off your tvs. Ratings are not down at all.

These are just distractions that don't have anything to do with football, the game, the sport. If you want to watch middle school football because there is no controversy there, good for you. I personally think it's there right to do whatever they choose as long as it doesn't violate your rights and you should respect their right. And they are paid to play football not for their off the field opinions. 

Trumps comments are off-base. Firing someone because they have a dissenting opinion isn't right- try this at your workplace if you love this idea so much. YES SIR! NO SIR! This may be fine and even necessary for the military, not so great in a workplace that wants intellectual growth and requires employees to contribute. 
 

Nice pics, those are really cool.

Vehicles made by 19 different automakers have been recalled to replace frontal airbags on the driver’s side or passenger’s side, or both in what NHTSA has called "the largest and most complex safety recall in U.S. history." The airbags, made by major parts supplier Takata, were mostly installed in cars from model year 2002 through 2015. Some of those airbags could deploy explosively, injuring or even killing car occupants.

Looks like this guy is not going to make it  Awesome video!

Cool! Haven't seen that before.

For next time...

Way faster than sending in an oil sample.