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Drivers didn't like them and a satisfied driver is one of the best investments that you can make, also they were 300 powered with six speeds and the trucks I bought were 350 13 spd with all aluminum wheels chrome bumpers and sunvisors. What I was responding to was the remark about under spec'd trucks and trying to save a few bucks initially. Salesmen are usually at the root of under spec'd trucks and ordering Mack DM's and R's as dumptrucks with Scania engines is a prime example.Mack was wrong to ever allow them to be offered for heavy duty trucks. You could also get a 3208 Cat in a Mack and you wouldn't believe what that did to the value. Eventual resale, operating costs and dependability are very good things to consider when you make such a large investment. If you look for the best overall outcome "OVER SPEC"and it will pay off in the end. Scania has been known as one of the best, if not the best, trucks on the road in Europe for many years.

I am a COE enthusiast and the examples in the above pic's sure make me nostalgic for the good old days when cabovers ruled the interstates. I have no doubt that COE's will one day make a comeback in America.

I agree that to many city and county governments under spec'd trucks taking for granted that they were saving on their initial investment and not knowing or even caring about the long term durability or eventual resale value.

I know that in the late 90's that I was ordering 10 new RD's and that the salesman tried to talk me into buying DM's cause I could get 11 DM's for the same investment. I still bought the RD's inspite of the salesmans logic of save now and don't worry about thedurability and resale

I've bought several DM400's and one R400 with Scania engines and we always replaced the no horse power Scania engines with 237 Maxidyne engines backed by 8LL transmissions to compensate for the low ratio rears,these dumptrucks would only run 48 MPH. At one time the Scania powered Macks sold for about 60% of the value of a pedigreed Mack. At auction, it was difficult to sell what otherwise were good selling dumptrucks, because they were Scania powered.

Why would a truck with only 127K on the odometer and stored inside need the interior repainted? Must less to have been painted the later OEM tan/beige interior color instead of Mack green!

I still would be interested and if I can get away on March 2nd I will try to be there . I promise that if I am lucky enough to buy it, that hideous (for a B-Model) beige interior wouldn't be there much longer!

I have always liked the little S series DT combination, the first one I ever drove with the 6613 trans, I tried to split the gears, and I might add with no success.

. It caused me to get into an argument with the salesman, with him telling me that I didn't know how to shift it, and me telling him that" I had backed up more miles than he had driven forward" and I D----- Well knew how to shift a 13 spd. I left that lot feeling a whole lot humbler, and a whole lot smaller, after learning what a 6613 really was.But I still like those little S series and have bought several brand new and always gotten good service from them except for one that dropped a valve the second day after we put it in service.

I have seen this truck at a world of wheels car show and it was very nicely done. The owner also had the best lookin B-MODEL PICK UP i HAVE EVER SEEN.

Most of the B conversions I have seen are all out of proportion and wind up looking a little ridiculous, but not this one it was black and lots of chrome, By the way it still was running the original running gear 673 and a duplex I think it was. I believe the Superliner was a 300. I talked to the guy from Ohio who along with his son or sons had built both of these trucks. I'm looking for the pictures of both right now, but some thief broke into my pick up and stole everything of value including my digital camera around that time so I may not have downloaded them.

There is an old ex military tractor on E-Bay they've got a $2,995. Buy it now on it.

I've heard of Allison Diesel engines being in over the road trucks in the 70s and how strong they were and that they were taken out of trucks and replaced by Cummins by Allison under a recall. I've never seen any photos or actually heard of any horse power figures. Has anyone out there know of this or has any photos? Thanks

I feel pretty certain that you are referring to the Allis-Chalmers, they were a real talked about engine when they were in production. They were a very distinctive color of Purple and W.O.T had a very good article on them a year or so back.

I personally never had any experience with them but I definitely know they were extremely powerful for that time. I knew a guy who had one in a Freightliner and he loved it . They had no dealer support and were hard to get repair parts for.

They have improved recaps greatly thu the years, but not so much that I would risk my life to run them on the steering axle.

Any one who has ever blown a steering tire on an older truck with manual steering could tell you how tough it is.The first one I blew was in 1972 and it almost put me over a hill onto the railroad tracks, not to mention that I thought it broke my arm.

HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIFE WORTH ?

at first i hated hauling to the port but after awhile i noticed 98% of the stuff i hauled was junk, yea there might be a nice part here or there, most of the trucks dont run cant stop or rust out cabs dashes all busted up, these are not collectable or rare trucks, they are company trucks that are junk, i hate seeing any good truck go, but look at CA they wont even let you have a good truck, you got to buy some over priced mechanical nightmare, so who would buy these old trucks and put them to work in a fleet but a few die hard's like super dog said, and our beloved mack corp's not helping at all with parts, we are in a real head wind here, and its not getting any easy'r. just my opinion .

It's pretty sad when foreigners ( PAI ) produce parts that you can't get from the manufacturer.

Guess i prolly shoulda posted mine to get the ball rolling................in no particular order 1) Brockway 361 series

2) Autocar DC series

3) IH Emeryville

Autocar

Seeing that silver one brought back memories of the countless hours I spent polishing all the aluminum on mine

Emeryville

Seeing the center point on that gold one made my arms tired just thinking of backing a trailer into a tight dock on my blind side

Your mentioning a 12V71 Detroit in a 360 Brockway reminded me that I've got a 12V71TT Detroit that I removed from a gen set with 400 hours on it still sitting and awaiting the right truck to put it in.

I would love to put it in an extremely nice MH9500 GMC but with only a 114BBC there wouldn't be room for the engine much less twin turbo's.

I don't want to put it in a Pete or KW extended hood.

I have built several of Bruce Mallinson's Hi Horsepower Cummins engines ranging in HP from 700 single turbo to 1000 twin turbo. I had one in a 69 A-car that was somewhere between 800 and 850 HP and was strictly awesome.Currently I've got one ( single turbo version ) sitting in the shop awaiting the right B-73.

If you've never heard of Bruce Mallinson google his name, and prepare to be amazed .

I am very fond of A-cars and have had some exceptional examples but that said there is only one truck that the whole country( held) as an example of toughness and durability.

The phrase" BUILT LIKE A MACK TRUCK" is part of the language not built like an A'Car or B'Way

An NHC was naturally aspirated but the addition of a T-50 turbo made it a NHCT or it could be an NTC which could be a 270, 290 or 335 since it had no aftercooler.

I had a 69 all aluminum A-Car which came with an NTC270 which we replaced with a BC III 400 uprated to 800 hp by Bruce Malinson the diesel " GENIUS" at Pittsburgh Power and it was an absolutely unbelieveable truck drivers dream to drive something with this kind of power " It wasn't for the faint of heart "

AUTOCAR.... &COE's of most major manufacturers KW,Frtlnr,IH,Pete,White,Reo,Ford. To me there isn't anything much sharper than a decked out COE with a big bunk and a 220+ wheelbase.

I know how it feels to be 65 ,at least for 20 more days.

Obama scares me, but the people who would vote to put him in office scare me even more!!!

This isn't what our ancestors worked and sacrificed and some even gave their lives to create.

All vehicles 81 and above are 17 digit . If you want to know what year a vehicle is, count the digits right to left and the 8th will be the model year starting with B-81 C-82 D-83 E-84 F-85 G-86 H-87 J-88 K-89 and so on, the letters I,O,Q,U and Z are omitted so as not to be confused for #'s letters were used thru 2000 which was a Y

In 01 they started using numerals starting with the #1.

I just looked at the title to my wifes 2012 CTS and it was a-C- so they must have started using letters again in 2011

Years ago dealers would sell you a truck manufactured in the previous year but it would be titled as the year it was sold. It was a very common practice, I used to have a B-61 titled as a 1967 and we all know that wasn't correct.

Sadly, my children who grew up with trucks being a very integral part of their lives, now in their 40's and with families of their own have absolutely no interest in trucks. But on the bright side,they remember the days when they were young and rode along with the" oldman " in the summer and as a plus....

Got to see alot of our beautiful country ,but like me,they saw it (thru the windshield of a truck) and I've heard my sons tell their boys "oh, I remember the time I first saw California ,or maybe at another time it was the first time I saw New England , but it was always with PaPaw,on summer break, and in a tractor and trailer.

Money can't buy memories like these.

I can always hope the passion just skipped one generation and comes alive in one of my grandsons.

In the 70's I bought an R- Model tractor that had been used inside a chemical co plant since new. The truck had quite possibility the rustiest cab I had ever seen,yet the odometer showed maybe 30K miles, which I knew to be correct cause the truck had never been licensed for the road.

Once we had the truck at my shop, just to prove a point, I got inside the cab and put my back against the headliner and pushed..... Needless to say but the whole roof came off and we used it that way as a "convertible"spotter truck to move trailers in and out of the shop until a suitable donor cab became available.

The speculation about how this R-Model became "topless" ran the gamut from "It must've been going down the road and got caught in a crosswind" to "Mack just don't build em like they used to." or "did the driver get killed"?Plus countless more, but it most always drew some kind of comment from everyone who saw it , Macks have always rusted but this one was in a category all it's own!

You need an 84" C A for a ten foot body.

I remember seeing those trucks,and actually looked at one on the used truck lot at the White dealer in Kernersville,NC in '74 or '75.

If I remember correctly they weren't Mack powered.

Were they 903's

There were several similarly equipped F Models that used to run out of Chicago in the early 70's leased to Eck Miller or maybe it was Ace Doran .

I always assumed they were the result of some accountants being allowed to spec' trucks.

If that is so he didn't seem to care about Mack in general.....

Just Steelcase in particular !

Tru the years I ran quite a few F Models and always thought Steelcase ran the cleanest and sharpest fleet of them around.