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I understand these are rare engines - is it basically impossible to get parts? 

Would a late 70s RD700 be equipped with a Cummins and Eaton transmission? 

24 minutes ago, CaptainCrutch said:

It’s possible that her first few years of service used a 5-speed manual. If it’s not crossed off the list (like power steering on the build sheet for my L) I’d assume that’s how it was delivered. It’s possible that an automatic Allison wasn’t even available at the time because the 4 speed automatic wasn’t made until 1970 and the actual truck automatics weren’t made until 1973 according to what I’ve read.

I’d say it’s safe to assume was installed later on by FDNY.

Interesting point. I guess I've also seen very few (honestly, I think I can only remember one...maybe) Aerialscopes that had a manual transmission. 

Hey everyone, 

I have a 1973 Mack CF600 that was ordered by the FDNY. I sent away to the Mack Museum for the original build sheet, and I saw that the transmission was spec'd as a Mack TR676 (or 6766?)  5-speed, but I was under the impression that FDNY had Allison automatics mounted to the ENDT673C. My truck is certainly an automatic.  Was this just a placeholder for Mack because Allison transmissions were installed by FDNY shops? 

Sounds like the plugs you pulled were fouled. Did you check how strong the spark was when you replaced the plugs? I'd look at the ignition system first. 

Are these CF lights? 

Nice truck! Originally OD green?

12 hours ago, Quickfarms said:

Pull the engine cover off and look for the turbo.

 

When you have the cover off look at the valve covers, the jake brake has a 1" spacer between the head and valve cover. There should be an electrical connection to the passenger side of each spacer.

Ok cool. Where is the engine ID located? And should it match the VIN? I know I'm asking a million questions here! 

Thanks everyone for the great info! 

I have two more questions -

(1) how can you tell if the engine is original to the truck? I only drove her around the storage lot, so I didn't really get on the gas, but I didn't hear a turbo spool up. Did FDNY spec their CFs without a turbo? 

(2) there's a switch for "Engine Brake". It's not the wet road/dry road switch, but rather a toggle switch on the same panel as the emergency light switches. I don't hear the Jake brake sound when I get off the throttle, but I also didn't think that Mack's had a engine brake option. 

Link to pulling her out of the storage area - 

WOW! Thanks for these pictures and that info! I'd like to do my best to return her to FDNY livery and these pictures are incredibly helpful. I don't know if I'll ever be able to find a straight cab canopy without having to buy a parts truck. Her Q is also long gone. 

Do you know how FDNY spec'd them? Right now I'm mostly interested in the lights and siren package. The coffin box that she currently has also looks different from what's in your photos...looks like she had one large pass through box mounted on top of the body, under the ladder. And originally no skidplate stowage under the front bumper.

Also, I won't share those photos, but as a heads up, I'm pretty sure I've seen the last one you shared posted online somewhere. I think on Instagram.  

Edit - FDNYTRUCKScom, to the extent that you're keeping track of where these trucks go, ex-Ladder 31 is now in Atlanta, Ga, enjoying the warm weather and retirement from the fire service. 

Hi all, 

My search for a CF Aerialscope finally yielded one at a reasonable price. The truck just came out of service from a fire department that was looking for a new truck with taller ladder. My Mack is in pretty decent shape, but she's definitely been around the block since being delivered to the FDNY in 1973. I sent an e-mail to the Mack Museum, but I was curious if anyone had an info about my Mack - VIN is CF611FAP1557. 

My other question is...how do you fly the bucket? I used to volunteer and went through an aerial operators course, but I don't have the manual for the Baker scope and don't want to guess about how to send power to the hydraulics, etc.  

11 hours ago, 1958 F.W.D. said:

And isn't worth 1950.00 let alone 19,500.

I’ve been talking to that guy...I was going to drive out there and check it out. I know it’s not worth what he’s asking, but whats the deal with her? Sat outside too long? 

19 hours ago, 609albert said:

dholden@ci.stamford,ct.us

Is this e-mail address correct? Never seen a comma in one. 

49 minutes ago, 1958 F.W.D. said:

You will find that the ones priced below 10K are privately owned, have massive rot throughout the bodies and the aerial has more than likely failed inspection. Anything else runs higher as the booms are being dropped onto new chassis.

Engine issues? If it is a Mack engine and has been taken care of, what engine issues?

Ok, got it. I'm ok with going a little over the 10k mark for a good truck, with body rot being the biggest concern. What are some good places to look (besides google and seeing the same three trucks over and over again)?

Hi all, 

New to the forum and I'm looking for a CF-600 Aerialscope, preferably in the SE region, though I can arrange for shipping. Projects are fine since this will be for a private collection and not department use. I've searched on google and criagslist and found a couple but they are generally over budget ($20K+....one was listed for 50K!). Fair market value for what I'm looking for seems to be under 10K, but correct me if I'm wrong. My biggest concerns in terms of condition are rust and engine issues. Not too concerned about ladder function since I wouldn't plan on putting the bucket up much (if at all). 

Thanks!