louisgbone

Bob I must have hit the nail on the head on My last post because Your not talking to Me anymore.

If You were buying them direct from the You would have been with 1 of 4 companies McMillan Blodel , BC Forest Products, Crown Zellarback,  

RW Saunders LTD or Tahsis Company from the way You describe things I'm going to say McMillan Blodel Franklin River division as for Mack LMSW

I know what those Trucks were but they were long before My time I didn't get started in the Trucking industry until October 1970.

3 hours ago, BOB DINGSDALE said:

LOUISGBONE: You are wrong as to when Hayes shut down. It was in SEPT, '75, not '74.I got my H D X in OCT 28,'74 and we got our last HAYES H D X in OCT '75. The next trucks to be bought by the outfit were PACIFIC'S. 3 P-16 W's with 3412 CAT V 12's. in 1979. Then no more till 1989 which were 5 PACIFIC's P-16's and 1 CHALLENGER. Hope this clears the air.

Bob I would like to know from which dealer You bought Your HDX from as for Your HD there were many still unsold HD's around in 1975.

Hate to say this Bob Dingsdale  but Your wrong  My family owned the Hayes dealership for the lower mainland and Vancouver island from 1970 to 1974

We dropped the Hayes franchise sept 1 1974 because paccar said they were closing  the Hayes factory sept 30  1974  . After the closing of the factory

there was one HDX left unfinished for M&B Franklin river Div that truck was completed by Peterbilt truck sales/Western Hayes in January 1975.

On 2/21/2020 at 11:28 PM, kscarbel2 said:

  The people in this picture are on the driver side Barry Thorne of Hayes Trucks, the customer now on the passenger side were Ted Price and

Orlie Reese of Hayes pacific sales the guy on the frame by the 5 wheel must have been with the customer.

 

 

 

On 3/23/2022 at 5:59 AM, kscarbel2 said:

If you can't join the discussion and express your opinions/thoughts without being vulgar, then refrain from posting comments.

Respecting the opinions of others is a sign of good character.

 OK Kscarbel2  I will stop using that abbreviation, but You might tell other people because I'm not the only one that has used that abbreviation.

The overhead gauges were only on the early cabover before the Mack F cab.

The first Hayes COE with the F model Mack cab was in fact a re badged Mack built in Hayward California.

all  Hayes  frame rails were supplied by Wilkinson steel  Hayes copied the F model  frame design but those frame rails were manufactured  in Canada

by Wilkinson steel.

First of all K or Kscarbel paccar closed the Hayes factory sept 30 1974 not 1975.

second Mack did not have any choice about keeping Hayes Mack were ordered by Signal to sell Hayes or Mack's money supply would stop.

On 6/26/2013 at 5:14 PM, mike69mackman said:

Seems to me Mack should've held on to Hayes .

Mike You missed one FACT Mack did not have a choice about selling Hayes Mack was ordered by Signal group to sell Hayes

or risk loosing the only capital supplier they had that is why Jack Curcio quit in 1973. So Your theory of what Mack should

have done is all BS.

Hey  J  or James J Neiweem  with all Your opinions and all Your knowledge  You  claim to have about Mack Trucks I would like to know one thing

how many years did You work for Mack Trucks or authorized Mack dealership because I think Your just someone who tells stories with no facts

I can speak for My self because I worked for Mack dealers for 7 years and worked for a Mack factory store for 1 year now how about You lowed MOUTH.

J during Mack's demise Renault was at the helm. Before that signal sold out most of their shares to Renault. During Renault's

reign sales of Mack Trucks were at rock bottom Renault was going broke Volvo bought the Truck division of Renault 

Volvo saved the day for Mack if not for Volvo Mack would not exist today I think everyone should remember that fact

before You go around bad mouthing Volvo. 

J  anytime You think Volvo is the bad guy just remember this if Volvo had not bought Renault which had control of Mack Mack  would not exist today

it was Volvo's money that kept Mack in business without Volvo Mack would have been auctioned off for penny's on the dollar.

The ENDT 865 was introduced in 1970 if the model had a B example ENDTB 865 this just meant it had a mack engine brake the 865 was a maxidyne

and the ENDT 866 was a thermodine also introduced in 1970 before that Mack had a v8 known  as the END 864 rated at 255HP also a thermodine.

T or Glen Akers I'm not going to disagree with You completely My beginning with Mack was march 1974 before that I would read the bulldog magazine

every month Your correct on the idea of the maxydine engine was 1966 but the first time I saw a maxydine engine in a truck was 1973 when I went to

work for Mack in 1974 My first question was why do some Macks have a gold bulldog and some have a chrome bulldog no one new the answer at

that time. Later on in oct 1976 I went to a sales seminar in Toronto their were 2 engineers from Hagerstown MD at that seminar they were the ones

that told Me that the maxydine engine was not perfected until dec 1972 they said before that time the maxydine  engine was still being tested and

was still in the planning stages. These 2 engine engineers also confirmed to Me that all Macks with a gold bulldog were maxydine engines and

those with a chrome bulldog were thermodine engines if there was confusion about this well I heard it from the horses mouth all engines before

the maxydine engine were painted Mack green, maxydine engines were gold, thermodine after 1973 were silver, econodine were light blue

E6 with 4 valve heads were dark grey the last E6 rated at 350HP were painted black.When the E7 was introduced it was painted dark grey.

Bullhead.- There are many reasons for a  100ton+ logging truck to use a steel hood #1 the constant pounding that the logging roads did to a truck

a fiberglass hood could never endure this.#2 w when You needed to remove a hood to remove an engine steel hood was easier to remove.

#3 if You have an old truck where the original hood was no longer available You could fabricate new hood panels in a sheet metal shop.

#4 I have seen where logging companies have ran the exhaust systems outside the hood and out the front fenders eliminating the hood side panels.

there is one exception here on a kenworth model  LW the hood side panels were fiberglass and so were the front fenders.

Mack will only do what Volvo will allow them to do.

 I will ask this question to see how many people can get it right. Why do some Mack Trucks have a Gold bulldog hood ornament while most only have

a Chrome bulldog hood ornament.

I have worked for Mack dealerships 6 times in all different parts of North America both in Canada and in the USA.

Mack will only do what Volvo will allow them to do.

I don't know J if You would have said they were beauties if You had to sell them which I did. Mack could build trucks like no tomorrow but when it came

getting parts for them and honoring their warranty I give Mack an F grade. 

fjh sounds to Me like You must have worked in Nanaimo all 28 CL350ST'S between 1977 and 1979 were sold in Nanaimo 1 CL350ST was sold in

Burnaby to Apex House moving in 2007 that truck was still going strong. Though the CL350ST'S were sold in Nanaimo the branch did not benefit

much,whatever parts business from them went to Tom Turner in Campbell River. The 3 You say You re powered with E9'S what did You put in them

for Engine Brake's. 

I heard that Mack discontinued this engine in 2000 because it could not meet emission standards

in California.

I  only saw 1 of these E9 engine in 1998 I had one in the shop with rocker shaft problems it was in a

RWS model owned by Union Pacific it was used to haul lowboy trailers. What I do know is that mack

brought out the RW series for the E9 engine because the E9 needed a larger radiator to keep the engine

cool the RS700 series could not fit a large enough radiator to except this engine.

Originally When the CL350ST was introduced Mack had plans to put the E9-1000 engine in them what happened was the CL350ST

was ended in 1979 and the E9-1000 wasn't on the market till 1980.