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any buddy know anythink about the 2 ton mack medium  duty trucks they are playing with in salem va

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37 minutes ago, jettertrucks said:

any buddy know anythink about the 2 ton mack medium  duty trucks they are playing with in salem va

You mean the upcoming Mack-branded medium trucks, right?

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Apparently a third party is going to assemble knocked down (KD) truck kits. Based on UD, RVI, Volvo or Dongfeng....I don't know.

NRV and Macungie have no capacity, so a third party will assemble. I myself would have called Spartan.

I have zero optimism on the product because it's not being handled correctly.

With what is now a very crowded market segment, and Mack brand dealers who have long ago all taken on Japanese franchises because Volvo offered them nothing, what's the point?

Nobody at Volvo North America has expertise in such an endeavor.

They're far too late to come to the party now.

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Volvo North America has NO EXPERTISE in anything but messing up stuff!

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Even if anything comes out of this with a Mack logo, a lot more resources will be put into one with a Volvo logo version. I work next to a busy corridor of I-87 just a few miles from the George Washington Bridge and often make a mental note of the many more newer Volvos I see on that route than I see Macks. It always makes me feel good when ever I see a Mack especially an older one with a real Mack engine humming along.

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Dealers?  Mack has dealers?

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4 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

Apparently a third party is going to assemble knocked down (KD) truck kits. Based on UD, RVI, Volvo or Dongfeng....I don't know.

Here in Australia, The UD Brand is basically DEAD & BURIED Since the Volvo Takeover..

The Poor old Utterly Dependable is a Mere shadow of It's Pre Volvo Days.. sad to see..

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What happened? Did a quarter century old non compete agreement with GM expire or something?

 

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I am no fan of Volvo but if it is a RVI based truck why would it be so bad? 

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Those two engineers are going to have to be miracle workers. A new superliner with a cummins x15 option would be nice.

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They're too late to attend a now crowded party.

Look at it this way, in the North American market, could they possibly and meaningfully compete in the medium-duty segment? Could they possibly compete with Freughtliner (Daimler) and Navistar in the mid- and high-end medium segment? Could they possibly compete with Ford in the low-end medium segment? The answer is no......so what's the point of such an exercise. Just speaking candidly.

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Maybe this adventure will put Volvo in a place they will have to sell Mack. But after Volvo has run off all the good Mack folks & engineering, who would want them?

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,Be intersting to see what this truck will be , if its a euro cabover with a bulldog on the front itll flop . If its a conventional with american dna it might be ok 

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I do not know any thing about RVI trucks, but if it is the RVI D model it looks to me like it would be as good as any cabover medium duty truck sold here in the US now.

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Probably the best Volvo can manage is the "Club Cab" with a B series Cummins, Allison, and Meritor axles= The same low cabover KW and Pete are selling.

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Just out of Curiosity, What sort of Market Share does  Hino, & Isuzu have. In this segment in NA..??

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1 hour ago, Hayseed said:

Just out of Curiosity, What sort of Market Share does  Hino, & Isuzu have. In this segment in NA..??

HIno is aggressively growing, and Isuzu has a solid reputation.

Hino already reached Class 7, and now has the Class 7/8 XL series.

And put the upcoming Class 7/8 Chevrolet/Navistar truck on your calendar (the MV/DuraStar replacement).

Isuzu entered Class 6 with the FTR. Chevrolet sells the same truck as the 6500XD, and rebadged versions of the smaller Isuzu's as well. Huge footprint between Isuzu and Chevrolet.

And then, for the customers who want a conventional, in addition to Ford and Dodge (Ram), you have Chevrolet and Navistar selling Class 4, 5 and 6 versions of their new conventional bonneted truck.

I expect Dodge to add a Class 6 6500 any time now. It's a no-brainer.

And though limited to Classes 3, 4 and 5, Fuso is in the game as well.

So in Classes 3 thru 6, to say the least, the market is overly crowded with brands and product, meaning the trucks will be discounted in order to move them which kills reasonable profitability. So there's no point in Volvo jumping in the pool now.....it's already too crowded as is. Volvo pulled the plug on Mack medium product in 2003 (and North American UD sales in 2012) and never looked back. Mack brand distributors one-by-one took on one or more Japanese brands and Volvo didn't care. Do you think any Mack brand dealer is going to abandon their Hino or Isuzu franchise for Volvo's endeavor? Not.

http://www.hino.com/hino-trucks.html

https://www.isuzucv.com/en/isuzutrucks

https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial/low-cab-forward-cab-over-truck

https://www.mitfuso.com/en-us/models

https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial/silverado-chassis-cab

https://www.internationaltrucks.com/trucks/cv-series

https://www.ford.com/new-commercial-trucks/

https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-commercial/index.html#

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KsCarbel2 lays out a pretty good argument, I'd agree. If Volvo wanted medium duty they'd just buy a medium duty company to to get into the market. I doubt they'd put any substantial effort into building the Mack brand. I assume they'd do it with their own name, unless they don't want bad PR for a shoddy roll-out.

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On 2/22/2019 at 4:59 PM, kscarbel2 said:

Apparently a third party is going to assemble knocked down (KD) truck kits. Based on UD, RVI, Volvo or Dongfeng....I don't know.

Why not just bring them in as C.B.U. instead of Kits...???

Or does Donald's tariff policy make the Kits cost effective..:idunno:

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Never drove one, never owned one, but it seems that at one time Mack dealers sold a lot of cabover medium duty trucks, built by RVI. They were a good truck, you said so yourself Kscarbel. So maybe some Mack dealers finally got Volvo to think about bringing back a RVI medium duty cab over truck. For sure it is a small market, but if it is the Model D, who knows. RVI builds a good truck. Maybe if Barry is watching these posts he could add something from a dealer standpoint.  

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2 hours ago, TS7 said:

Never drove one, never owned one, but it seems that at one time Mack dealers sold a lot of cabover medium duty trucks, built by RVI. They were a good truck, you said so yourself Kscarbel. So maybe some Mack dealers finally got Volvo to think about bringing back a RVI medium duty cab over truck. For sure it is a small market, but if it is the Model D, who knows. RVI builds a good truck. Maybe if Barry is watching these posts he could add something from a dealer standpoint.  

The Mack Mid-Liner was a fantastic product for both Mack Trucks Inc. and its distributor network. Period.

What I'm saying is the North American playing field has entirely changed from year 1979 to today year 2019. It's so full with brands and product, particularly due to new models over the last couple years, supply exceeds demand. As a result, profitability is evaporating as go after sales.

RVi does build a good truck (Range D, ect.). But Volvo might hesitate to offer a new U.S. medium with the same DAF-built cab as the DAF LF sold by Kenworth and Peterbilt as the K270/K370 and Model 220. Volvo could set itself apart with a UD cab, it would have a lower cost basis over an RVI KD kit, and as you said UD needs the business (or else admit failure and close the doors). And as much as I like Renault, the Range D's front fascia is unattractive.

https://www.kenworth.com/trucks/k270-k370/

https://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/medium-duty/model-220

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Kscarbel you are right about the size of the market, but a good truck might sell. But what bbigrig says it is not a cabover. I have always thought that a Mack conventional class 7 truck would sell. Maybe they are going to do both? After watching the Range D video, I still think it is a good truck. Everyday is a new day, maybe somebody at Mack is pushing some new ideas?

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