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Hello all, First post ever excited to get my Mack. I was referred to someone selling a 2004 Mack Vision CX613 for $6,000. A good friend of mine who is in the industry went with me to see and test drive the truck. Its been sitting for about a year but the test drive was very smooth and powerful I let my buddy drive since he's more experienced. It has 420,000 and my buddy recommended I change all 6 shocks and replace all 10 tires. Besides needing a good wash the brakes are still good and power steering hose was the only other thing I need to replace. Engine and Trans have been worked on not sure on exactly what though.

For the price $6000 is this truck worth getting to start out doing local runs Hazmat/Tankers?

VIN 1M1AE07Y74N017078

 

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I probably won't be the only one to chime in on this but the 2004 Mack's were very troublesome. There's probably a reason why it's sat as long as it has

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3 minutes ago, alex g said:

I probably won't be the only one to chime in on this but the 2004 Mack's were very troublesome. There's probably a reason why it's sat as long as it has

So should I move on even if the seller only wants $6k?

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don't walk,run

 

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14 minutes ago, Superdog said:

don't walk,run

 

Not worth the $6k?

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49 minutes ago, MackDaddy85 said:

Not worth the $6k?

2004 models have known issues.  If you have $6K and like to gamble, go for it. 

 

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If you buy it, put $10,000 in it before you do anything. Remove all emissions from it. Change oil in tranny and rears too. Heat was the main issue with the '04's. They had a cooling package that was to small and the egr's and coolers were troublesome. 

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If you don't have a lot of warning lights coming on.....buy it. Good if it is a local run. They aren't Macks finest by far, but there are still a bunch out there. At that price you can sell the tires and smelt it down for a cash return.

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9 minutes ago, Mack Technician said:

If you don't have a lot of warning lights coming on.....buy it. Good if it is a local run. They aren't Macks finest by far, but there are still a bunch out there. At that price you can sell the tires and smelt it down for a cash return.

No warning lights came on when we drove it. I do need 10 tires though so thats $3k right there. Doing local runs only though.

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You get your tires back if the truck flops, low risk. Universal consumable item. 

they did have heat issues. More just radiance of heat from the engine emissions package. Some trucks burst into flames right off the bat. They made some product improvement packages to help with heat. We had one melt to the ground before upgrades. Mack sent us a box full of vents and had us ventilate the hood on many. Just punch holes and add vents then paint locally. Needed to get airflow. They would get so hot the plastic started melting, split loom turned to drips, etc. Engines are harder to work on.

Turbo is so big it will occasionally break the exhaust studs due to weight bearing. They did try a stronger stud, but verify all studs are in place. 

No lightning bolt on dash? Make sure the bulb cycles illumination on key up. Sounds too good for $6K. 

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This is why most hated the AC engine you have........Both engines built the same year. First is a nice clean AI e-tech and the second is a spaghetti science project called AC e-tech. You are looking at the AC (second).

 

 

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14 hours ago, Mack Technician said:

You get your tires back if the truck flops, low risk. Universal consumable item. 

they did have heat issues. More just radiance of heat from the engine emissions package. Some trucks burst into flames right off the bat. They made some product improvement packages to help with heat. We had one melt to the ground before upgrades. Mack sent us a box full of vents and had us ventilate the hood on many. Just punch holes and add vents then paint locally. Needed to get airflow. They would get so hot the plastic started melting, split loom turned to drips, etc. Engines are harder to work on.

Turbo is so big it will occasionally break the exhaust studs due to weight bearing. They did try a stronger stud, but verify all studs are in place. 

No lightning bolt on dash? Make sure the bulb cycles illumination on key up. Sounds too good for $6K. 

thanks for the reply. I will make sure there are no lights on or anything.

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So it sounds like the most important thing to remember is not the year necessarily but weather the engine is  an AI e-tech or an AC e-tech

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At least you won't be doing regens, several sets of injectors and cups, bull gears DEF injection issues like the red motors. Having seen what I've seen personally with the red engines. I'd take a 2004 ASET AC engine any day over a red motor. Even though I used to think that 2004 AC engines were the worst ever

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15 hours ago, james j neiweem said:

So it sounds like the most important thing to remember is not the year necessarily but weather the engine is  an AI e-tech or an AC e-tech

If you test drove two stock, unmodified,  trucks.........one AC, one AI, and you where not allowed to pop the hood, likely +95% of people would choose the AC. Better performance at the pedal, better economy, just a lotta emissions stuff under the hood (some of which can be eliminated). 

IMO- if I could drop a properly modified 2007 AI-427HP vocational engine into a new 2006 Rawhide chassis I’d lay down my wrenches.

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9 hours ago, Mack Technician said:

If you test drove two stock, unmodified,  trucks.........one AC, one AI, and you where not allowed to pop the hood, likely +95% of people would choose the AC. Better performance at the pedal, better economy, just a lotta emissions stuff under the hood (some of which can be eliminated). 

IMO- if I could drop a properly modified 2007 AI-427HP vocational engine into a new 2006 Rawhide chassis I’d lay down my wrenches.

How do I know which Engine I have?

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All 2004 and up CH/CHN and CX/CXN have the ASET AC engine. The ASET AI is only in the 2004+ CV, MR and LE and very very few of the last R series. 

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2 minutes ago, Mackpro said:

All 2004 and up CH/CHN and CX/CXN have the ASET AC engine. The ASET AI is only in the 2004+ CV, MR and LE and very very few of the last R series. 

This Engine has been rebuilt thats the only reason why Im considering purchasing it.

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