james j neiweem Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Anybody ever hear of the Super Granite GU-813. I think they are used in Canada and they have Simard suspension. They have 55 and 65 ton hauling capacity using tri drive and have dual front steering axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gicknordon Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Like this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Nothing really Super about it. It would be best of they had a cooler model designation then just a Granite though. Fairly common up here. Most for the Canadian market are ordered and built as single steer with factory tridem drive and have the second steer strapped to the frame for delivery up to Simard suspension in Quebec. Trucks ordered south of the "great white north" have the twin steer factory installed at Macungie. Simard I believe holds the patent on the twin steer design and has a deal with Mack/ Simard for the shared installs. It's a set up commonly ordered for maximum gross hauling ordered by a few cement companies here in Ontario. The ones I've worked on are MP7 powered with Allison auto trans and tridem drive on air ride. Replaced an SCR can on a "Super Granite" last week. For as big a truck as it is with a mixer on its back, that MP7 and Allison go like heck. Edited June 21, 2018 by bbigrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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james j neiweem Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 That's the one. Saw a dump set up on U tube like that. Would make a nice heavy haul tractor if Volvo allowed Mack to have a big six or V8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 The 10x4s We get down here are called "Metroliner" & are Cummins ISLe5 powered// http://img06.en25.com/Web/VolvoAUS/{a5dc5c98-61a5-4997-b9a6-a011e9448066}_metroliner_vocational.pdf Twin Steer Granite's just Granite "vocational" .. http://img06.en25.com/Web/VolvoAUS/{346210fd-1874-41d2-93ad-30a188a20102}_granite_vocational.pdf Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 . Note 8x4 Granite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) On 6/21/2018 at 2:36 PM, james j neiweem said: That's the one. Saw a dump set up on U tube like that. Would make a nice heavy haul tractor if Volvo allowed Mack to have a big six or V8. The Dump set up on you tube you may have seen was a deal between Mack and Simard to make large tonnage haul trucks in a smaller package....i think they were called Dramis...the first trucks built were on Granit chassis but Simard decided to go with Kenworth and Western Stat as the Chassis supplier. The truck could haul 55 metric tonne if I remember correctly. Had an MP8 engine with Allison trans. Edited June 23, 2018 by bbigrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 They have been trying out Granite Tri Drives for large stick loads in Western Canada. This one has the 14 spd M Drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Guess they don’t have Mack rear ends? (no gold dog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, 1965 said: Guess they don’t have Mack rear ends? (no gold dog) bet they don't use the gold dog anymore. terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, terry said: bet they don't use the gold dog anymore. terry Unless they just stopped; they’ve been putting gold dogs only on all (so called) all Mack component trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) They still put Gold Bulldogs on Pedigree all Mack component ordered trucks. In Canada, Mack rear axles are not as common any more. There were a fair number of issues with 200 series carriers in the 90s and 2000s that made customers turn to Rockwell/Meritor or Eaton for heavy and highway use. The Mack axles are also more expensive on the spec I believe. Even in the last 10 years, the Mack axles have seen a high failure rate for how few are being ordered here. I see lots of Mack Axles in the States, just not up here so much. We have had a truck in the truck for almost 4 weeks waiting for a ReMack Mack Diff all because of the special carrier housing required for the torque rod of the M ride suspension. Unlike other carrier housings, the casting is different for the upper torque rod mount. The heaviest Macks up here hauling logs etc in the most severe conditions use planatery rear ends not available from Macks product line. Edited June 23, 2018 by bbigrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 The Dramis Granite.... It has been replaced by either Kenworths, International or Western Star chassis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Never would’ve thought I would hear that Mack rear ends weren't any good anymore. It’s been several people on here say the same thing. Sad days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 hours ago, 1965 said: Guess they don’t have Mack rear ends? (no gold dog) Here's one with the full Volvo Drivetrain & a Gold Dog.. https://www.trucksales.com.au/buy/new/OAG-AD-15394295/2017-mack-granite/?cr=6&category=trucks&psq=((((((SiloType%3D[Dealer New]|SiloType%3D[Dealer Near New])%26Service%3D[Trucksales])%26(SaleStatus%3D[For Sale]|SaleStatus%3D[For Auction]))%26Service!%3D[Showroom])%26(Category%3D[Trucks]%26SubCategory%3D[Prime Mover]))%26Make%3D[Mack])&pso=0&pss=Price Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, 1965 said: Never would’ve thought I would hear that Mack rear ends weren't any good anymore. It’s been several people on here say the same thing. Sad days I thought the same thing. What did they do to turn such a bullet proof product into a dud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Jamaican Bulldog said: I thought the same thing. What did they do to turn such a bullet proof product into a dud? Volvo. plain and simple. they will not be happy until the mack name is completely ruined. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 hours ago, bbigrig said: The heaviest Macks up here hauling logs etc in the most severe conditions use planatery rear ends not available from Macks product line. You can get a Titan here with Planetary Hub reduction rears as a factory fit.. http://img06.en25.com/Web/VolvoAUS/{666ac387-2b28-4fb9-b351-0d5529648f9d}_titan_brochure.pdf Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Need the down under Mack lineup in the US. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 You could get the Titan from factory with planateries here when they still built the Titan. Some of the last for the Canadian Military had tri drive planetary rears. I'm not sure if those rears are optional on the granite chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 10 hours ago, tjc transport said: Volvo. plain and simple. they will not be happy until the mack name is completely ruined. How different did Mack planetary drive change after Volvo? Type of metal or total redesign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 At the time that Volvo acquired Mack Trucks, our own planetary hub reduction axle design, "Planidrive", was long since out of production. Badged as SR70 and SR80, high-performing Renault planetary hub reduction axles were offered for many years, pre-Volvo. https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30384-heavy-duty-macks/ Finnish Sisu brand planetary hub reduction axles may be special ordered today for severe service applications. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 WOW I always thought the rear planidrive was one of the last 'real' Mack part left along with the Maxitorque transmissions. When did the real mack rears go out of production. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 It appears that Western Star and KW have kicked Mack to the curb heavy and extra heavy haul applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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