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Not very well versed on the issue. I have only read the article that I am posting on this thread. From what I gather if net neutrality ends it will make the internet less individual. By that I mean since companies can slow down the streaming of competing content, block it and put their content at an advantage as far as advertising we will have less choice in what we see. From what little I know about this my opinion is this could really change the way the internet is used. 

https://apple.news/AbaP0xm5dRRuOA6awHOBqOA

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The way I read the article this new law will not allow the government to regulate the Internet (which they have been since its inception) in any way shape or form. From what I can understand different companies can now get into bed with each other for the sole purpose of keeping the public from being able to choose what they see.  To me that hypothetically could mean Paccar and Volvo could get together with Google and bury bmt, Mack trucks and anything else realated to Mack on the net. I know that was an extreme example but I don't necessarily want the success of business on the internet solely based on who has enough money i.e. Lobbyist and other types of backers want me to see. If this is the case seems like warren buffet and George soros and other uber rich people could control a lot of what we see, hear and buy on the net. Generally I'm against government interfering with much of anything because they have a track record of spending recklessly, not treating the government like a business so they don't care how inefficient they do things since they go right back to the tax payers to make up for their poor math skills. In all honesty I'm not well versed at all on this topic but am very interested since I heard about it today. 

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The first thing one notices is that the video is a product of CNN.  They are no longer a trusted source of information.  As I understand the growth and freedom of the net is because the govenment has not controled it.  Want the goverment to decide what you see?

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According to the article I posted there have been “fair play” regulations which kept phone, internet companies from unfairly and purposely burying advertisers or competitors. So it seems to me that now without that regulation a cable company or internet provider can legally take money from anyone and make sure it’s harder to find or see the said competitor. Like I said before nearly every time it comes up I’m adamantly against more government but I’m not sure about that on this issue yet. 

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1 hour ago, Keith Pommerening said:

The first thing one notices is that the video is a product of CNN.  They are no longer a trusted source of information.  As I understand the growth and freedom of the net is because the govenment has not controled it.  Want the goverment to decide what you see?

So instead you'll allow corporate America to manage it?

Please realize the internet we have today was built around the premise of net neutrality. Under the guise of "reducing government" regulations we have essentially allowed more regulations to come into effect....except they would come from telecom monopolies of which you have little to zero control over.

Don't forget, the current FCC chair once worked Verizon and used to lobby against net neutrality on their behalf. This whole deal stinks to high heaven.

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Thanks for the clarification Dailydeisel, this could fundamentally change and or ruin the internet. Hopefully this gets repealed. I have noticed recently lots of YouTube channels and podcasts now require a paid subscription to watch/listen to them. I don’t think they will be able to make simply because they already had advertisers and sponsors and the biggest reason people tuned in was because it’s decent material that’s free. I don’t think people will go for paying $3-$10/month per show because most shows are short and if I’m going to be paying $100/month for online subscriptions I might as well break down and get satellite tv. 

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15 minutes ago, ranchhopper said:

Any way you look at it the government will get its hands on the internet its a vast uncharted territory ripe for taxation as with everything else follow the money.

Look at your cable of satellite bill, we are already paying Federal and State taxes on it. But by making is private, they get top add local taxes and all kinds of fees and surcharges to your bill.

One other issue with this deal is, it turns control over to a Global control by  companies. Your next provider could be based in any country world wide.

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Net Neutrality wasn't a thing until 2015, how did we possibly use the internet in the years before that?  I'm still not quite sure how I feel about the whole issue, on one hand, I like that this will now be one less thing that the Government can micromanage, but I'm also afraid that the ISP's will try to screw their customers.  Although in our free market, consumers have the right to shop around for the best bang for their buck.  I don't see where so many people are getting the "sky is falling" mentality, but I do agree that there is potential for abuse of the system.

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in a nutshell  what this means is that any body can do anything on the net as long as you can foot the bill

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 The internet without conflict would be like  bacon cheesebuurger without bacon....and we all know we love bacon....wrapped in bacon,,,,,, on yet more bacon..... where was I? oh yes, net neutrality is a big ol box  of stuff noone needs.

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I’m with you on less government interference but I also think your point is not well thought out and coming from an emotional reaction instead of a point based on deductive reasoning. I know things can be taken out of context when reading it so I want to make it crystal clear I am not belittling you in any way this is just an opinion based on our conversation.  I think it’s short sighted to always decide one way even if it isn’t the best thing simply because you don’t like (insert any group here).  I don’t like nearly everything the government does but that does not mean that I’ll always be against everything they do simply because of my dislike of them. 

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22 hours ago, Keith Pommerening said:

You presented this much more eloquent than I, thanks.  Offering different service to different customers also is outlawed by monopoly laws already written in the law books.  Trump did us a favor correcting this one.  The real purpose of Obummer's law was to regulate the number of conservative leaning sites and boost the liberal ones to make neutrality in the eyes of liberal goverment administrators.

41Chevy copied that from FoxNews which is just as biased as CNN. BUT, if that fits your wold view than so be it.

 

But anway, the exact situation you fear can now occur but at the hands of your ISP. If they happen to lean left or right they can in turn limit your access to certain media.

I guess we'll find out if this really is the end of the world as we know it. :lol:

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Represent.Us, yet another goofy liberal site, claims the internet industry paid lobbyist 61 million.  If it is worth that much to keep unnecessary goverment  medding out of a business, how much is it costing us for all the other unnecessary goverment meddling in business?

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17 hours ago, DailyDiesel said:

41Chevy copied that from FoxNews which is just as biased as CNN. BUT, if that fits your wold view than so be it.

 

But anway, the exact situation you fear can now occur but at the hands of your ISP. If they happen to lean left or right they can in turn limit your access to certain media.

I guess we'll find out if this really is the end of the world as we know it. :lol:

Actually Fox and CNN took it from Wired Magazine who ran it 2 months ago, who editorialized it with Gates.

Either way nothing that Trump or his"minions" is good for the people and the country and according to Mr Schummer is a Republican plan to destroy the internet after Obama saved it.

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4 hours ago, other dog said:

I'm far from being the smartest person here, as most of you already know, but I looked at something on Amazon.com a few days ago. I don't even remember what it was, I order a lot of stuff from Amazon. Then the very next day I'm on facebook, and there's an ad for whatever it was I was just looking at on Amazon. Coincidence? No way, every single thing you do is monitored by somebody, i'm sure.

Same here.   I was looking at let's say some "informative sights" and next thing ya know they are advertising on the bottom of the BMT page.     

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