Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted August 18, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 Got a little more done, I've worked on it a few hours every night this week. Need to get the torch bottles re-filled, there are still a few stubborn bolts in the winch, but it is almost ready to come off. I'm torn on weather or not to take the cab off for this or just leave it be. I really want to leave the cab, engines, and transmissions in place. Even though this is a major project I would like to do it in small portions and keep the truck as operational as possible. Any input/suggestions are appreciated, thanks. Andy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogtrucker Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I say leave the cab/engine intact for now and focus on the rear frame rails. Make a nice "driver" and enjoy it, seen too many trucks pulled completely apart only never to be finished...Not saying that's what will happen, just my two cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted August 18, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 I have the same concerns, however I'm usually pretty driven when I decide to take on a project. It might take a while, but I usually power through it. We will see what happens, I hope to get alot done this weekend. Here are some more pics of the frame, it is pretty bad in spots. Andy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 If you can do it with out removing the cab and power pack I would. You'll be able to see more of what is possible with the winch off. Paul 1 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Truck shop,what process do you use to weld hvy truck frames? I ran a mobile welding truck in the 70s and80s only had stick and propane and acetylene for cutting. I believe the bigger shops are using mig for steel and tig for aluminum.My main customers were excavators and refuse contractors.I use mig for sheet metal and stick for 1/8 and above in my home shop.Also do you run in California? I was googling something else and read a post that California's new emissions laws are going to put 60 percent of small trucking companies out of business!! Not to mention the new laws coming nation wide! I can picture a backdoor support of this b.s. by the NTA, wink wink,to get rid of the big companies competition! It will get curiouser,and curiouser,I predict! The EPA is already after NASCAR and NHRA. It will be the hobby trucks next! We should maybe join SEMA like my fellow street Rodders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Truck shop,what process do you use to weld hvy truck frames? I ran a mobile welding truck in the 70s and80s only had stick and propane and acetylene for cutting. I believe the bigger shops are using mig for steel and tig for aluminum.My main customers were excavators and refuse contractors.I use mig for sheet metal and stick for 1/8 and above in my home shop.Also do you run in California? I was googling something else and read a post that California's new emissions laws are going to put 60 percent of small trucking companies out of business!! Not to mention the new laws coming nation wide! I can picture a backdoor support of this b.s. by the NTA, wink wink,to get rid of the big companies competition! It will get curiouser,and curiouser,I predict! The EPA is already after NASCAR and NHRA. It will be the hobby trucks next! We should maybe join SEMA like my fellow street Rodders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Great looking "binder" Love the long nose and their Hendrickson "brother" is there a side road you can practice on? You're empty,I'm guessing less than 20000,Put the aux. In its lowest gear,and see if you can run the main without splitting gears,see where it's governed at before you start out.Shift just below that so it doesn't lock up.It will be easier to use the clutch til you get used to it later.It should drop in around 1500,each double clutch of course.That tranny should be worn in enough to shift easily.When you hit 5th ,run thru the aux to over just like a 4 speed, downshift the same way, watch your temp gauge! I'd check the grease level in the tranny and differential before you leave,good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Looks like you got it home,I didn't vue the earlier pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted August 21, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well, I had to work a couple double shifts and Saturday morning, but I finally got the stubborn winch off. There were a couple bolts that did not want to come out, but with the fire wrench and an air hammer I got them. I cut off the back of the frame roughly where I think it previously had ended. I think that I want to put a pintle plate on it as well, and I would assume I need to add a crossmember at the very back of the frame. The plan is to go over everything with the pressure washer again tomorrow morning and set the truck up on some cribbing. Hopefully by days end the DS frame rail is out of truck, but that is probably wishful thinking. What do you guys think, should I leave the WB length as is, or shorten it? I'm definitely having the complete new frame rails fabricated and drilled by PG Adams and probably the crossmembers as well. Thanks, Andy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Great looking "binder" Love the long nose and their Hendrickson "brother" is there a side road you can practice on? You're empty,I'm guessing less than 20000,Put the aux. In its lowest gear,and see if you can run the main without splitting gears,see where it's governed at before you start out.Shift just below that so it doesn't lock up.It will be easier to use the clutch til you get used to it later.It should drop in around 1500,each double clutch of course.That tranny should be worn in enough to shift easily.When you hit 5th ,run thru the aux to over just like a 4 speed, downshift the same way, watch your temp gauge! I'd check the grease level in the tranny and differential before you leave,good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Hurst scrambler,you were "leading" the four wheeler too close, and you should have padded the pintle,shame on you! I believe x10 is a grade of steel truck shop uses for frame work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Yeah, it was kind of funny, the lady got out of her car and said "did the car in front of you stop short"? I responded by saying the person in front of me stopped, I stopped, and then you didn't.... she didn't like that too much. But everyone was alright, so it wasn't too bad, I was more worried that she was letting her little boy walk around and it was a dangerous intersection. I'm by no means an intelligent guy, but it seemed like a bad idea to me....... Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 8/21/2016 at 8:53 AM, hurstscrambler said: Well, I had to work a couple double shifts and Saturday morning, but I finally got the stubborn winch off. There were a couple bolts that did not want to come out, but with the fire wrench and an air hammer I got them. I cut off the back of the frame roughly where I think it previously had ended. I think that I want to put a pintle plate on it as well, and I would assume I need to add a crossmember at the very back of the frame. The plan is to go over everything with the pressure washer again tomorrow morning and set the truck up on some cribbing. Hopefully by days end the DS frame rail is out of truck, but that is probably wishful thinking. What do you guys think, should I leave the WB length as is, or shorten it? I'm definitely having the complete new frame rails fabricated and drilled by PG Adams and probably the crossmembers as well. Thanks, Andy What do you plan on using it for? That will have a lot to do with wheel base. I personally would get the rails as long as the one on the truck are, you can always move the rears forward and cut it, not easy to do the reverse. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 id personally get a foot or two added as well. lot easier to cut it off after than add it. makes it easier to put pintle plate and mud flap hangers etc on after and wont have them too close to the tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 That is my thought Paul, it is going to be a tractor, and I plan on putting the winch back on mostly because I like the way it looks. Even with the winch I think it will be a rather long looking tractor, but I suppose there is nothing wrong with that. Andy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm pretty much a traditionalist, so I would set it up to accommodate either a standard steel dump body or a fifth wheel in much the same way as most of those trucks of that era would have been set up. Lots of those were regularly swapped between a fifth wheel and a dump body. Even with the shorter wb it will still have room for the winch. The shorter wb will be easier to store and move around as well. 2 Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Didn't get nearly enough done today unfortunately, but some progress was made. I will let the pics do most of the talking, hopefully I can get the engine and transmissions cribbed up tomorrow. Gotta keep this project rolling. Thanks, Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted August 25, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 I know some of this doesn't look 100% safe, but it is more stable than you would think. I need to burn out 5 or 6 more bolts, get another 5 or 6 with impact gun and the rail should be out. I do wish it was going a little quicker, but things have been going pretty smooth so I shouldn't complain. Thanks, Andy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Looks good. When you get it apart you can rent out the engine to drive a saw mill while you wait for the new rails. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted August 27, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2016 It is out, I broke it free with a porta-power last night. It was too late for decent pics though. Got it completely out today, and gave it a preliminary cleaning. I have a lot of cleaning to do, I figure I can shoot some paint on the engine and transmissions just to keep the rust at bay. I'm gonna try to get the holes that are being eliminated welded up, and make a hardware list over the weekend. If all goes well PG Adams will have the old frame by September 1, which was/is my goal. Andy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Weld up the holes on the frame rail or on the accessories? No need to weld the frame rails; just mark them as not needed and make sure the vendor knows the marking system. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 I did weld up the holes that were being eliminated, figured it would be less confusing that way. The frame should arrive to Adams tomorrow. My experience with PG Adams has been very positive so far, but I'm getting a bit concerned about what the bill is gonna be. When I was searching for this truck I found a F230D for sale that is in much better shape than mine. If the cost of getting the new frame exceeds the cost of buying this other truck, I might have to consider it. It was not my intention obviously, but we will see when the quotes start rolling in. There initial quote for the frame was 7k, and the truck below, with a good frame is available for not alot more than that. My crossmembers were also in tough shape so I went them to PG as well. I will know more at the end of the week. Thanks, Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 We loaded the frame and and crossmembers on my fathers moving van and he brought them to the freight yard today. As a side project also painted my buddies samurai OD green last night at my shop, it came out pretty good for a little woods buggy. Also have my other buddies 55 Chevy in the shop so he can use the lift, I figured I would snap a few pics as there isn't much to look at on my truck. Thanks, Andy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 yah.......never get both boxes in neutral at the same time!!!!! as for any other help............well.........GOODLUCK!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Gearheads,If you're referring to Hurstscrambler' crash course in two stick 101, looks like he made it home! By the way I taught myself how to split a triplex,before any one taught me that little nugget of info,always split two handed held the wheel with my knee,couldn't figure out why I always got that little grind! Duh!Well I got my buddy a " master of the compound" a job with my employer and I was riding him to the office in the B model.After a few shifts he said pull over a..hole,and proceeded to illustrate how to split correctly!lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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