gumbiegumbie Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I have a e-tech 400 and my Camshaft has a couple lobes wearing off. I have been slowly trying to up the horsepower and have put a bigger turbo that would have come on the 460 and I have the bigger injector nozzles. When I change the camshaft I'm going to use the cam key for the 460 and I want to have my computer reflashed. I'm kind of getting the runaround from Mack about the computer part. Can I not just get the VIN number from a truck that came with the 460 XT and let them use that to flash my computer? Is this the easiest way and if not what is the easiest way to get to the 460 XT flash into my computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Now that the EPA is going after VW, I suspect all the dealers are getting very nervous about doing non-standard reflashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 My truck is a 2001. Pre emission and it would have been the standard download had the truck been ordered with a 460. I don't think that download would be illegal in any way because there are thousands of trucks running it that came with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Sounds like you just need to deal with another dealer. If money isn't an issue the sky's the limit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Ha! Money is always an issue. All 3 dealers within driving distance are the same people. When we had another truck flashed for computer problems they charged one hour labor. That basically what I was wanting them to do this time only flash it with the program that came in a 460 truck. Has anyone done something like this and knows that it works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 There are more differences then just an ECM flash going from a 400 to a 460 or 460XT if I remember correctly. Besides getting the program from Mack you will also need injectors and the Waste gated turbo if I'm not mistaken. I may be missing something here off of the top of my head and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will fill in the blanks for you soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 There is a non-wastegated 460 turbo, I already have that. I also have the bigger injector nozzles. You have to back the cam timing up with the cam key and some engines have a bigger balancer for the higher horsepower, but I have that to. My only dilemma is this programming issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I was told by some mack reps to use a 427 file on a 460. They said she'll smoke a little at first if you get into it but lots of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 you may find the only way to get the xt file is find a truck with it and let a dealer burn a copy of it and install into yours. there are non Mack dealership options also. 427 file with your mods may also work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Being a 2001 you might not have to replace the cam key. Starting in 01/02 the CCRS style Etech came out and it uses the same cam key way regardless of HP. Also the CCRS engine didnt have the 460XT as I remember. On the CCRS 460 engine the engine needs the wastgated turbo as the data file looks at boost pressure all the time. However the CCRS 427 uses a regular style turbo. What is the last of 6 of your VIN and model # Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 There is a non-wastegated 460 turbo, I already have that. I also have the bigger injector nozzles. You have to back the cam timing up with the cam key and some engines have a bigger balancer for the higher horsepower, but I have that to. My only dilemma is this programming issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 some 01 s are pre ccrs at lest mine is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Run a VIN off of a CL. They didn't have waste gates or any of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 The VIN you seek is a CL713 1M2AD62C6YW009499. Its a 1999 plain old ETECH with the engine ECM programmed from the factory to 460XT. This program will not load on a 02 and newer CCRS engine ECM's. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 THANKS MACKPRO. I wish I could buy you a beer or lunch or both! I have an 01 pre CCRS and that is just what I was looking for was a VIN number they can use with the right program. Thanks again bud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Mackpro. I know that it more than likely does but wanted to be sure so I thought I would ask if that VIN number has a Jake brake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Yes it has the Jacobs brake and air fan clutch, theses things can be turned on or off in the regular parameter programing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 By the way, this CL has the 92 series rear carries and about every 6 months he snaps a axle shaft or through shaft, he has a torque limit switch but leaves it unhooked. It's a tri axle dump and this only happens on soft ground. Be easy on soft ground with the 460XT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refined Trucker Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 What about leaving cam timing alone? Would this not help with the sluggish take off? I understand from other forum's that there could be some heat issues. I'm assuming that it is coolant temps where the issue is. But what if one was able to increase the cooling capacity a little. wouldn't that let you get by without retarding timing at the higher HP levels. I have been kicking this around for awhile. just need someone with more knowledge than I to throw in their 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I personally did my buddies 99 RD . Engine was a 400 and I put the turbo and injectors and 460 program in. Knowing that we would probably have to install the offset key way in. He ran it a few months till the summer hit and he couldn't keep it from over heating. Maybe the bigger CH radiator would keep it cool. This is the only time I have tried this. Swapping the key way would not be bad if they had threaded holes in the cam gear where you could use a puller on it. This would keep you from pulling the cam all of the way out and saving lots of time. I have hear of someone heating up the gear with a torch and popping it off while still in the engine but the uneven heating and uncontrollable temps could not be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Mackpro, in another forum on this site you and a guy were talking about the 460 XT download not being the same anymore and how Mack did a recall offering a free oil change if you would bring in your truck and let them reflash it to the new 460 program that was more EPA friendly or something. This being the case, am I just wasting my money and time trying to get the 460 download that they are going to use now instead of the one you got back in the good ol days that came on the trucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mackpro Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 I think that recall was for 92-98 VMAC1 and 2"s. I looked in the Mack dealer recall list and it dosent go back that far. I have done 2 or 3 trucks using that CL VIN and all seemed super happy with the results. On another friends 2005 CV713 with a 427 AI engine . I submitted a HP request to Mack to bump it to a 460. They denied it saying the EPA would not let them due to only allowing so many of the higher polluting HP motors out there for that year model. . He is currently waiting for the day his turbo goes out and we are going to put on a 460 turbo ( On the AI engine, 427 and 460 turbos are different) and use a different VIN with a 460 to program with. I'll will attach a homemade chart on the 4 different Etech style engines ( Etech, CCRS, ASET AC and ASET AI ) and it will show the turbo and injector differences in the different HP ranges. I only included the most common HP variants. Some of the HP levels I left out like the 275, 300, 330/350 and so on.scan0164.pdf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas farmer Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 How does the 460xt compare to a 3406 550 hp. Talking running in the highway pulling hills and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 well, I put the 460 injectors in and I'm having a problem so I pulled them out and after closer inspection I seen that the body of the injector is made a little different. Mainly talking about the oring grooves. My old injectors have the thick oring at the top and then one thin one just under the head towards the top of the body of the injector. well the new ones have the thick top oring and I realized that I had actually put the thin oring in the groove where the body screws together. It was late, and I was tired but I should have noticed that the new injectors don't have the second oring groove just under the head. Looking at some on the internet that say they are for the AC460 the pictures look like what I have without the second groove so I'm guessing that the AC injectors are different and that's what I have. I have the older 2001 e-tech and I'm guessing the way the cup in the head is made you have to have the injectors with the groove for the thin oring? right or wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumbiegumbie Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Mackpro68, do you work at a mack dealer? The mack dealer here says that putting that vin# on my truck is mission impossible. Said that if that vin wasn't the one that came on my truck it could not go on my truck because "mack" won't let them. What are they missing? Can it really be done? What do I need to tell them to convince them to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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