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Does anyone know what the DOT exemption for Private Antique commercial trucks is? I saw it referenced on a truck at Macungie but can't remember what is was???

Thanks in advance.

-Boyce

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Every state has its own laws, but many share the same rules, just written differently.

What state are you in? We likely have a member here from your state than can give a better answers based on that.

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I live in South Carolina. Contrary to what I have always heard, the local DMV said anything over 26,001 GVW required a CDL regardless...

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You might be able to register your truck as an rv in SC. People are doing that here in MT and pulling campers and horse trailers without a cdl. If you are going to do ANY work/driving commercially here with a 1 ton pickup or bigger at minimum you have to get a class d cdl. Not sure if this helps much but it'll give you somethings to explore.

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I live in South Carolina. Contrary to what I have always heard, the local DMV said anything over 26,001 GVW required a CDL regardless...

In SC you can put an Antique Auto tag on it which has no gross weight and pull a regularly licensed trailer with YOU OWN stuff on it as long as you meet normal weight laws. with NO CDL!! Will try to send you an email thru here if not email me at brocky45@prtcnet.com

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Does anyone know what the DOT exemption for Private Antique commercial trucks is? I saw it referenced on a truck at Macungie but can't remember what is was???

Thanks in advance.

-Boyce

Are you talkin' about me?

I have an exemption number "FMCSA 390.3 (f)(3)" on the side of my MH. Basically it states you are only using the truck for personal use and not for hire. You are not getting paid and that includes prize money, trophies, etc. It is not licensed as an Antique (1992 model) but as a commercial vehicle. Since it is not an antique (25 years old) I put the exemption number on the side to hopefully eliminate any questions. If your vehicle is licensed as an Antique you should not need an exemption. But as others have stated, check with your local DMV.

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Are you talkin' about me?

I have an exemption number "FMCSA 390.3 (f)(3)" on the side of my MH. Basically it states you are only using the truck for personal use and not for hire. You are not getting paid and that includes prize money, trophies, etc. It is not licensed as an Antique (1992 model) but as a commercial vehicle. Since it is not an antique (25 years old) I put the exemption number on the side to hopefully eliminate any questions. If your vehicle is licensed as an Antique you should not need an exemption. But as others have stated, check with your local DMV.

If the DRIVER is an antique, you can claim senility at the scale house and be exempt from any and all liability.

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If the DRIVER is an antique, you can claim senility at the scale house and be exempt from any and all liability.

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Boyce

I sent you a PM.. go to the very top black bar on this page and click on the envelope..

also my email is brocky45@prtcnet.com I hit a t instead of a y in the other post. I have names and phone numbers in Columbia.

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Are you talkin' about me?

I have an exemption number "FMCSA 390.3 (f)(3)" on the side of my MH. Basically it states you are only using the truck for personal use and not for hire. You are not getting paid and that includes prize money, trophies, etc. It is not licensed as an Antique (1992 model) but as a commercial vehicle. Since it is not an antique (25 years old) I put the exemption number on the side to hopefully eliminate any questions. If your vehicle is licensed as an Antique you should not need an exemption. But as others have stated, check with your local DMV.

Yep. It was you. Parked with your trailer attached if I remember correctly. Nice truck.

From http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/:

General Applicability: The rules in 49 CFR Parts 390 – 399 are applicable to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles (CMVs) which transport passengers in interstate commerce.

(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to—

(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;

FAQ:

Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the "occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise" apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?

Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (B) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.

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Our DPS man defines "commercial" as either the truck and/or driver recieving ANY FORM of compensation.. Trophys and ribbons do not count but cash prizes or someone buying you breakfast or a case of beer DO!!!

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In NJ as long as its registered as Historic a CDL is not required since its no longer for commercial use. I'm still planning on using the General to get my CDL anyway but its not required.

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Our DPS man defines "commercial" as either the truck and/or driver recieving ANY FORM of compensation.. Trophys and ribbons do not count but cash prizes or someone buying you breakfast or a case of beer DO!!!

Damn! :o That stuff would be hard for them to prove,unless they're REALLY working overtime to bust YOU.

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I remember one show I went to, cant remember which but someone said they were getting hassled by the men in suits at a weigh station check that they should have been waved right on thru. said they asked them everything under the sun about their historic plates including ''do you receive any cash prizes and do you sell any t shirts at the show that you transported in your truck??'' unreal.

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I recently acquired a B-42 and live in Connecticut. Has anyone here had any experience with registering a B in Connecticut for non-commercial use? I was also hoping to paint the name of my business on the truck, although that is more for personal pride. I sent the sn to the Mack Museum in July and I am looking forward to learning more about the truck and developing a plan to paper/register it before I invest too much into getting it rolling again.

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CaseyB42,

I have mine registered as a classic with antique insurance. No issues with it or putting your name on it. It's for non-commercial purposes and only hauling my stuff. No CDL required due to the registration. I do have a placard on the body, "Not For Hire" to lesson any out ouf state issues. Have only been stopped once in twenty years by a CT DMV inspector who had no idea what he was doing.

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Matt, thank you. I may reach out again when I have the paperwork in my hand to ask for a bit more advice. I haven't figured out how to post a picture here yet, but will put some up soon. It is a B-42X with an 18 spd. I got it running and drove it back and forth a bit a few weeks back. The brake and gas pedal are corroded solid, I have the replacements and need to make a temporary fuel system (and some time to go visit the truck again).

My next question will be regarding what appears to be split rims on the front. I aired them up to 45 lbs but would appreciate guidance on how cautious I need to be around them.

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Casey,

Contact me anytime. Looks like a good starting point with that truck. It'll be slow, though, with that 402. Mine started off that way, but with a Duplex. It was about a 50 MPH truck.

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You guys in CT sure about no CDL?Good friend of mine lives there and they are telling him he MUST get one due to the weight,they don't care about how it's registered or insured.DMV,State Police and DOT are telling him this!

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I'm double checking right now. But that was the case, unless something changed recently. Also, if below 26,001#'s, no requirement.

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I'm sure and nothing has changed. In CT the requirement for a CDL rests with how the vehicle is registered. Commercial plates/ weights set the requirement for it. If the vehicle(truck) is registered as a now Classic Vehicle (used to be Early American plate) and is not used for commercial purposes there is no requirement for a

CDL and weight class doesn't apply.

Aditionally, as long as you're carrying your own property the same would apply. Trailers seem to be a grey area as there is no Classic tag for them, just Commercial and Camp Trailer. I couldn't get clarity on this area, but I wouldn't think you'd have issues as long as it was your property.

The Classic plate here is essentionally an antique passenger plate with no commercial purpose. Think Combination/Commercial for reimbursement/pay purposes.

Issues you can have are if you appear to be doing commercial things with a Classic plate you will be subject to further inquiries/inspections/licences.

Equipment violations will still stand. Tires, lights, hazardous conditions would be the same as in any vehicle.

Theoretically, you could spec out a brand new dump truck, buy it, register it as a Passenger vehicle and use it as a daily driver/ grocery getter and no CDL would be required, as long as it was for personal use. Hopefully, this helps a little.

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These were at 20ish psi when I found them and I aired them up to 45. I would like to add more unless that sounds like a bad idea. Primary focus now is just making the truck self sufficient enough to load/unload and pull into driveway. Maybe air them up with welding gloves and a motorcycle helmet?

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