Thanks for all the info guys. We're steering clear of this truck for a couple of reasons. I'm pretty sure this was a converted tractor based on the info you guys have given me and knowing where the truck came from when the current owner bought it. We (my dad, bother and I) are going to have to rethink this thing all the way around. Let me give you the scenario then you guys throw out any ideas that you have. The primary use will be just plain ole dirt/gravel hauling (select fill you might call it). Over the last couple of years we have hualed quite a bit more pit run material (base, sand, 57 rock) into locations where you cannot get in with a trailer. There are plenty of places around to pull dirt and gravel from so running a heavier truck isnt as big of a deal on those hauls because you can churn out plenty of loads. But some of the pit run stuff can run into a decent length haul so getting as light as you can is beneficial for that work. Our goal was to try and stay close to a 19 ton pay load but the more I look at it I don't think that is going to work, not if you go with a "true dump truck" that was built to be a dump truck. Arkansas allows a triaxle dump to gross out at 62000# (according to the IRP office in Little Rock) so to hit a 19 ton load or better the rig is going to have to tare at 24000# or less. So I'm thinking we are in a danged if you do, danged if you don't situation here. Can a Granite or RD even get close to 24000#? Just FYI, we have run mid to late 80s R model tandems for years but I'm not sure what they tare at. Those are some dang tough trucks!! Shoot me some ideas. Any advice will be appreciated.