Vladislav

2 hours ago, other dog said:

Latest update, I'm just waiting for tank rubber. Meanwhile I took the vent out of the old tank and shook it. Nothing happened. Then I tried to blow through it. Nothing happened. I wasn't even sure if anything was supposed to happen, because I'm not even sure how they work. But I cut the bottom off of an aluminum can and put the vent in it and sprayed carburetor cleaner in it until it was covered. Now when I shake it it rattles, because it has like a check ball in it that was stuck. And I can blow through it easily now, so that's good. 

 

I would guess if you had cleaned that breather earlier the truck would eat all the organic from the tank even together with algea and alu brightener.

But that's of no matter now and doubtly you would like to provide experiments putting the old tank on and putting old dirty gas in it.

P.S. The girl worth a half of the thread.

That idea of putting epoxy sealer (not a DD screamer) into the new tank was floating over my mind. And I didn't point that out since in a case you have a clean brand new tank the straight simple way just installing it seemed very attractive. But on the other hand considering options and adding some reasonable amount of efforts into a deal could pay off in the future.

I don't see any issues applying sealer to a new alu tank. Sure you should check out the particular compound on its applyability to alu. Also you better degrease the inside of the tank with suitable degriaser before sealing and be sure that light evaporating stuff to not poison your breath of make big boom. 

On the other hand from those arguments above the worry of use alu tank for gas is water which could get collected in the fuel because of alcohol. But I guess water wouldn't affect aluminium really fast even being poured clean right into the tank. So adding fuel stabilizer and not allowing old gas to take place for a long while should secure you quite enough from notable tank inside corrosion.

12 hours ago, Macktruckman said:

I probably should keep my mouth shut here because I know almost nothing about the V8’s but i think i read somewhere about there being a 998 cubic inch ENDT-1000 and an ET-1005 that was a predecessor to the E9 in the early superliners. From what i read it was basically like an E9 but with no charge cooler. There was also a maxidyne EM9 i read, and was painted gray. As far as the pictures show the engine is the gray color which seems correct for mid 1980’s? I think maybe they were 4 valve and weren’t the 865-866 engines 2 valve?

. The factory color for the 865 was gold as it was a maxidyne. I believe the 866 was painted more of a silver as it was the thermodyne color. 
Of course the original engine could have been repainted or swapped out or both.  
im just floating the possibility of it being the ET-1005 or EM9 and is original?  I certainly don’t know. Someone with more knowledge than me will surely be along. Im curious. Its a cool old truck 

Josh. 

The engine you see on the pictures is 2 valve since you can see injectors aside of the valve covers. So that could be 865 or 866. E9 (and also E7 and E6 4V) had lager (wider) valve covers and injectors aren't seen at the outside since their location is in the middle of the 4 valve seats in the cylinder head. They're put straight vertical in relation to piston and hidden under valve covers.

Looking by overall design E9 was built basing on those prdecessing 2V V8's but with 4 valve heads. The displacement was enlarged though. ENDT-1000 or (and?) 1005 were 4V engines and looked very close or similar to a E9. There was a post a long while back with pics of an experimental R700 which had ENDT-1005 under the hood. Looked very similar to a E9 (4 valve heads). I must be having that pic on my hard drive, just need to rifle through it to pull up.

Hope our discussion in this particular case adds attention to the thread and helps selling the truck. Not just a flood up.

Just now, The Heinz said:

It may be because it was built in  Dec of 1985, but there's a high chance the info I have could be wrong, though I'm using Impact and a VIN finder as my sources. Odd that two places could be wrong, but possible. 

Too possibly you're right.

There was a not almost clear to me fact when Mack switched from gen 1 to gen 2 Superliner. 1st the 1st gen was originally produced (and designed) at Hayward factory in California and than after close of that factory in 1978 (or 79?) the production continued at Macungie. Than in 1985 the model was swapped by 2nd generation which was physically a different truck. With different chassis, front end, the line of engines and trannies, style of fuel tanks and updates to the look.

But I guess some particular trucks could be (custom?) specified with components basically used on earlier or later models.

I have no relationship to Mack factory. Learned the most from info on this site during the years. 

BTW you seldom see such fashiony looking trucks on a road in Europe. The most countries in the central part such as Germany, France, Belgium usually operate single axle units with middle rise cabs of single white or red color or so. I bet those on the pictures were imported from Scandinavia. Icey roads and heavier allowed weights predict the 2nd drive (or tag) axle and attractive look prevails over cost savings. Bullbars (or elk bars?) are a common thing too.

A candy!

A pleasure to look at!

I have opened heated Bulldog mirror apart once or twice. Don't remember seeing any separatable heating elements. As I remember the heater was glued up to the back side of the glass or integrated another way.

4 hours ago, harrybarbon said:

864 or E9 motor?

That was also a question to me but the added photos show 865 or 866. Which is period correct.

3 hours ago, The Heinz said:

Interesting, according to the VIN (with the O's replaced with 0's to correct it) it was built with a 350HP E6 4VH... Guess they swapped engines? Or is the VIN incorrect? 

I doubt any 1st generation Superliners were produced with E6-350 4V since the engine came into production in 1985 and the 1st gen was cancelled in 1984. Or were there some bunches produced near the overlap dates?

I think that's colors of a certain spedition in PA or OH.

Very clean looking MH indeed.

Those are cool looking units.

And looks like they suited the sevices very well.

Definitely different principals in design and different engeneering and trucking culture.

But that must be cool when you have choices.

On 4/13/2024 at 1:48 AM, mrsmackpaul said:

I would be thinking that is the case Vlad

Some people make a good living selling rides on the tanks thru off road courses, took my Dad on one for his birthday 10 years ago 

 

Paul

Very interesting info, Paul.

Always cool to learn facts about your country. Many differences to what I used to be living in. But sure the basic things are understandable since the most humans are supposed to think similar ways. Putting aside some doubts on that we may have found from time to time.

That must be cool entertainment riding a tank off-road. I had luck driving big tracked artillery tractor once. Generally in a lap deep mud over a nearly 2 km loupe. But had to attend military education cource in my university. Mostly for that mentioned reason 

Wonder what was the reason?

Don't they want for general public to own an armored vehicle?

Here some kind of that matter takes place. A friend of mine owns WW2 German half track armored transporter. But its side sheets have 4 big holes cut at each side which were welded up with thin (common) sheet metal. That way the rig keeps historical appearance but can't be used by its original purpose. Sure the gun is inoperational. Cut in the barrel or so.

Just now, other dog said:

Yes, he put a tank on it that had only had diesel in it, because he was having trouble with rust in the original gas tank. Said it was all fixed now. Imagine that! I guess I don't have rust problems anymore, I have sludge problems! 🤣 

Sludge is removable. And if you even have a new tank it can build up from poor condition fuel. Or otherwise from super-puper efficient additives in it. Which don't do any bad if burned in time but may bring unexpected surprizes keeping their presence in a tank for a while.

5 hours ago, other dog said:

Here's the latest update- I drained some gas out of it last night. Put it in this new clean aluminum pan. 

After sitting on the porch overnight, covered and untouched, it looked like this this morning.

So yeah, I have issues. I'm going to go drain it now and try to get it off. Here's the filter I took off the other day, looks like more gunk has settled in it.

I talked to Brayden Tucker, who buys, sells, deals, and restores old trucks about cleaning and sealing the tank. He said the best thing he had found was the acid like you spray on aluminum, the brightener, I forgot what you call it. He said to pour some of that in it then pressure wash the crap out of it, let it dry good, then put the sealer in.

What you showed in the alu pan doesn't look like rust chips. So my guess the things are much better than I expected. There's probably no need to sandblast or gravel wash the inside. Just some heavy cleaning agent of those the guys mentioned and you must be fine.

My issues were concerning heavy rust on the inner walls which chipped off and clogged filters or needle valve and duses in carbs. I have friend's Mercedes 280CE car of 1972 in my stable for a while and it used to ruine electric fuel pumps. When we removed its tank initially and my guys drained it I couldn't belive my eyes. There was a 10 liter can filled with gas which was HALF FULL of rust chips! We sure cleaned the tank as good as we could that time but the pumps have continued giving up the goasts. So I found a good replacement one and going to swap it. Ok, I'm going to do that for no less than 6 years now 

6 hours ago, other dog said:

This is about where I'm at now. I'm going to end up taking the tank off, if I can. I started it today to turn it around and same as yesterday before I changed the filters- it would not run at all unless I sat in it with my foot on the gas. I looked in the tank with a flashlight and some some sketchy looking stuff swimming around in the bottom. I only let it run for a few minutes yesterday, I wouldn't think the filters would clog that fast, but I don't know. I'm going to take Fuzzy Buzzard's advice and start with the tank and go to the carburetor. I don't know if I can wrassle that tank off by myself or not, but I'm gonna give it a try.

Danged old trucks!

I'm afraid the way Fuzzy Buzzard adviced is the most right direction. You can remove the tank yourself putting a stack of pallets below it to loose the straps and land it down onto. Than you will need help to pull it off from there on the ground and for further relocations during the upcoming care.

A cement mixer or tractor drive wheel idea seems more productive to me than hand shaking and else. There's also way to cut off a portion from the rear (unseen) wall to sandblast the inside. Could be a bottom (end bottom I mean) either but depending on who's going to weld it back up and how would you sure on their skills making good looking seam.

A side idea is you may put some portable small tank for example in the luggage compartment below the sleeper and connect it to the system keeping the original tank just for look. This way you'd get the truck running reliably and 10-15 gallons might be enough for locals drives. Getting to the main tank repair later. The issue is we seldom get back to back burner deals soon.

10 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

Happy Birthday Vlad!!

Thank you, Joey!

And I belive Tom also had his day just the other day.

I just must have missed it with current hectic affairs.

I had someone

The truck does look darn good in your drive way Tom!

Congrats!

Usually my feelings in such a case are high exciting right after purchase than light dissappointment on the day after with a thought of "What have I bought that thing for?" Than usually the things and thoughts get in order a few days later with no sorries on the done. 

Looks like he does.

Really nice looking truck. And the configuration is also cool.

Taking to account the worth of jobs invested the offer may be seen as quite an attractive deal. Also I guess flea-bay would grab his share of the pie so going a side way may make the expences fewer.

Thanks for posting.

20 hours ago, other dog said:

Oh yeah, and the IH guy called and asked when it would suit us to bring the International, he said it was loaded up and ready to go. I told him "whatever suits you suits me better". 

So he's supposed to drop it off Friday .

Sounds like great news!

And right in the time.

Zina wouldn't need to wait for the Nissan to has been fixed.

12 hours ago, other dog said:

I'll try to get a long video of it running, like maybe 3 or even 4 seconds.

May be quite a while for a gasser