Red Horse

Mass. About 2-1/2 hrs from Albany

Sorry to hear of your loss. You were lucky to have shared a common interest with him.

To add to the chorus, 237's were for sure a standard in the bulk transport industry where max loads were every load. When they came out 73280 lbs was max GCW on 5 axles but when law went to 80,000 on 5 axles plenty of those 237's were still running. My guess is the fact its a 10 speed says it was altered-here in US if it was a Maxidyne it was a 5 or 6 speed. Perhaps you should get the build sheet from Mack Museum to see just how the truck is built.

Nice-what is the power train? Wow 30,000 lb single rear-don't see those much!

So KS-much discussion about Cat trucks- these are built in which plant? what is the Navistar content percentage in these trucks??? I can't believe they will survive.

For sure on that- I'll bet between the LN-8000 and the C series they had more than half of the home heating oil business here in the Northeast

Agree on some towns buying used BIG trucks. But I woujld say more and more towns in this area are buying one tons or at max, 550's. I'm sure the CDL issue is part of it but given the capability say of a 550, it can do the job. think of a Ford F-600 or C-65 Chevy of the 60's. What did it have for HP and Torque? 200 and 300 ft lbs? Now a 19,500 gvw 550 with a P-Stroke is what 400HP and 700 ft lbs???

Well I think Bill Ford has been quoted as saying they want to be in the big truck business-better that he is saying that vs.."not our core business". Also remember when they were in it, they were a solid player with 8-10% in class 8 and usually around 20% of 7? Of course they had a broad product line then. What they offer today is very basic. And I still say, the increasing use of intermodal freight, will change the market for class 8's. there will always be a market for 500 HP "Large cars" but the bigger market I would bet will be the lower end of the scale as you will be looking at a basic tractor that goes from the rail yard to a distribution/break bulk terminal-short miles.

Buddy of mine is selling this 1974 CF. Maxidyne power with 5 speed. Very clean and motor had inframe last year. He is asking $6500 OBO.

Not exactly "Mass construction" but if anyone knows of someone interested in a Mack CF pumper I'm bringing a friends 1974 to the Hudson show on Sunday as he will be out of town. Truck is clean and is a Maxidyne 5 speed Enmgine had inframe within last year.

Yes these are the Bluediamond trucks that are supposedly being replaced by Ford built trucks at the Avon Lake plant.

So KSC, any industry intelligence on just what Ford is doing? If they truly are bringing the 650/750 back to the US (Avon Lake Ohio) as they agreed in last UAW contract talks, shouldn't we be seeing some sort of activity??? Their YTD sales are up in 6/7 but I don't see any. There is an Altec bucket lift plant near me and their lot is full of F-550's awaiting installs but the class 7's are virtually all F-liners with a few Interntionals in the mix.

Save yourself a ton of money- go to your hdware store, HD or Lowes and go to the hardwaresection where they have the misc. small parts. I bought rubber stoppers and cut them at the appropriate radius. No one knows the difference!

Matt- I don't know what he is talking about- the CH's were the first new trucks we had other than the "hand me downs"-You guys coming to Hudson?

for sure.

Truck is super clean-285,000 miles. He has 35 g into it. As I see it, too much invested to walk away. Plus I'd take this old simple dog over a new one any day.

Okay Black Dog-no more wise ass comments- you want to do the job-Or sign on as "consultant" ?

For sure. this guy is a pro

Agree on the 20 grand and the labor- but that is the 64 dollar question. Replacing complete rail you have all that labor associated with the cab, motor mounts etc. Putting a section in cuts out in my viewe a ton of labor-granted you are cutting the frsame rail with a cut-off wheel and have the weld time but it has to be less.-I would think.

Guys- thx for your responses. Couple of comments- fish plates to me are band aids- rail replacement is a permanent fix without adding dead weight to original vehicle. Glad to hear comments on the 45 degree cut. I think my friend paid around 3000 for the single axle-would imagine a tandem would be close to twice that?? Attached are a couple of shots of the B-81 in progress. The "finger " is pointing to spot on outer rail where cut started.

I hav e a friend who has a super clean 89 RD-688 dump. 18 front 55 rears. Problem is frame rails have some big time cracks. ahe has a quote of 20 grand to replace both rails. Alternative is to cut the outer rail at back of cab (at 45 degree angle) and have Adams from Vt. punch new rear sections and weld in. Any opinions. They did rails for a friends single axle B-81 and their laser drill job was right on- no reaming of any holes.

Every now and then I'm rummaging through a box of hardware and come across a piece with a Spags sticker on it. Truly an "institution" where his bargains were usually genuine as opposed to the China crap we find today. Of course Spag lived in a time when we still made stuff in this country-or if we had stopped making it, he ended up with the old inventory that had been sitting in a warehouse or a storage trailer for years.

Ok-and didn't Ford also have a gas turbine at the 64 Worlds Fair? seems like that was a lot more "practical" vehicle than the GM version. they then actually had their turbine in a W series that was in used in the Ford internal fleet . What in any case killed the further development of turbines for trucks?

Look at it this way Mike- sounds like you had a PM and they found a bad hose. Better that they found it on a PM then going down the road. Rest easy-as everyone says- the b will still be there

Matt, Do you know if Plunske has any of his old Ford Super Dutys? (I'm talking like T-950 etc)