Red Horse

thx Jim-good info on the Euc site. Also did not know that the gap WAS acceptable.

The build sheet for my B , (11R x 24) lists the wheel rims as 14QJ314P3. In checking by position, I have 8.25's on the front and 8.25/8.0 on left rear and 8.0/7.5 on right. For sure the 7.5 has to go but any thoughts on having 8.25/8.0 as a combo. I assume worst case is I will not have same tire heights. Also, are wedges unique to a specific rim width? Thx

Nice pix! B on the left has a gold dog- for real 237? The one on right has unique hood scoop?? Where did you get that nice air cleaner stack-would like to upgrade mine

100% correct. And I should elaborate on my earlier post. I guess it shows I'm not a "bigger is better" guy-be it government or a non-profit organization. Obviously the ATHS board liked the idea of a large organization and the associated costs with running an office and a "library". "Work expands with time allocated". The more people you have, the more people justify their position/existence.

KS-Are you saying that these "new" 11 and 13 liters are in fact Fiat/Iveco s built under license? the article clearly states these are proprietory Ford Otosan engines designed and built in house. by the way, I did a google search and there was some big press show in Turkey in I think February. Very professional "show biz" media show to a room of a few hundred "suits". seated in the middle of the front romm with headphones on to get the translation is a smiling Bill Ford.! Mr Ford going to Turkey says a lot to me. By the way, your comment on the "high point" of the US heavy truck market "passing" is I think correct in the sense that 500 HP "large cars" will be on a downward slide is I think correct- as intermodal gains speed. But the short haul class 8 (11, 13 Liter??) market I think will thrive as you can only have so many intermodal break bulk facilities. Also, 11 and 13 liters will work very well in a lot of the vocational markets. There will always be a need for big power in vocational too but 11-13 IMO will be the volume. As always value your world wide view!

Wow-this IS big news-in particular it will be big news up here in "Wellington Mack" country. I was thinking (and I have no ax to grind) when I got that annual report. Look at the "staff". Look at the "office". Look at the "visitors"! 19 visitors per month! Look at the money spent on that sign! Motor Cargo? Who cares? Looks like one donation from a prior "big cheese" sends the entire organization over the cliff like a bunch of lemmings! I look at what the ATCA "Staff" does on a shoestring and I say..."works for me!"

Have to go through my "archives" (junk as the wife calls it) and see if I have any Rockwell literature " SS??"

KSC I saw a piece on the BON website that referred to Ford spending 100 million with Turkish partner Otosan to develop new 11and 13 liter diesels for trucks and industrial applications. You have any thoughts on that? I can't believe they would spend that kind of money and npot give consideration to the US market.

Kind of late to this forum but I did cast my vote for 50/60's. I was a 10 year old truck nut when the B came out- didn't like the round cab vs. the "L"s- but in my neck of the woods Macks ruled-in particular in construction. When I was working my way through school driving a Binder B-180, V-345 5/2 dump in early/mid 60's I looked at the "old guys" driving B's as the fortunate ones! Never did get to drive a B until 40 years later when I bought my first project-on second thought, when I entered the corporate world we did have a couple of B's left in the fleet and I can remember moving a single axle B with a "Unishift". R models-another story-plenty of those in my life and they would be my next choice, including the U,DM era.

For sure it is a hell of a lot heavier than 34,000 as some have suggested. I never saw a 34,000 set up with 6 spoke wheels-I agree with the heavy Rockwell. 44? 46?

Out of curiosity, are all Ford Super Duty cabs (250-750) stamped/assembled at KTP?

Mike good idea. My suggestion-as we can't be sure where anyone truck will be, we should meet in front of the big pole barn (biggest of 3). That is the one where t-shirts will be sold on right front. Bob

Guys- keep your fingers crossed for some good weather. And bear with us- first time out of the box at this location will be a learning experience.. Also, if you are a BMT poster, and you are bringing your truck, please post your "handle" on your window card Bob

Great job Matt-thx!

Matt- OUTSDTANDING-just make sure you do the same thing on July 13th!

Maybe they added some leafs in front? looks like it sits pretty high!

Okay-how about OLD 11:00 X 24. Clear Summit pit

Now that Matt looks a lot heavier than the typical 12/23 U tractor!

Interesting that Paccar seems committed to this market-this shoud give the Japanese a run for their money. Does the truck come in as a finished import or is the cab brought here in a kit with US assembly. I'm assuming the cab is some sort of DAF product? Just wondering, IMO this is a market that the Ford Power Stroke/Torqueshift combo that Ford will be using in 650/750 could do well in-retail delivery trucks, bottlers etc. With an obvious advantage from a powertrain pricing perspective, what do you think the chances are of shoehorning this V-8 into one of the Cargo cabs? ""One Ford"? Utilization of existing assets (Avon Lake)? Also, while the no compete with Daimler is gone, did the agreement give them exclusive right to the Cargo cab forever??

Now that was a beast- guide said it was going to an oil field service company in Canada. I thought at first they were going to mount some sort of processing equipment on it (Mega pump/compressor etc) then looked at back of cab- its a tractor! I think weight tag on door said 27,000!

And doesn't it all look cheap-or poorly put together? at least that is the way it struck me. Other thing-did anyone notice a lot of the inventory boxes?,,labels, "made in Malaysia", "made in Mexico" etc. then again why should that surprise me. On other thing about that purple MR with the two leaf suspension- I think that was the one that had 315's on the rear-there was about an inch and a half of space between the duals-can you imagine the heat if one of those was low on air and it was loaded to the max...hmnn..."I smell smoke" Our tour guide on the bus said..."you won't see any robots here- all built by hand" I was surprised then thought about it-of course- they don't make anything there -it all comes in as modules-complete cabs, complete hoods etc. In any case clean a a whistle-hope they make it in the long term. Oh and sad to say-never saw a spoke wheel! but now I'm showing my age!

Yes- and you?

Hope you are right-by the way-as the kids would say your truck looks...."awsome"!!!

Wow-long day- and I was looking for you guys-we took the plant tour from like 10 -got back around 1. Hopefully see you guys at Brooklyn.

Well after listening to a lot of comments at the Museum and the Macungie plant this weekend I would have to say IMO, the majority opinion of Mack loyalists, is the new logo "sucks" in plain English. As I look at it, would Ford junk the "Blue Ova"l? Chevy junk the "Bowtie"? 3M start calling "Scotch Tape" something else?? I'm sure the Mack PR types will say its "just another new look" and the classic bulldog will remain but I saw too much of it. From comments to.."the dog is taking a dump" to my wife's.."hmnn-looks like his hind quarters have atrophied", not much positive views of it-again IMO.