OK,here's my chance to piss some people off,but I've never been one to beat around the bush.I'm as against exporting our old Macks as much as anybody,and I've probably saved more old Macks from the crusher than 90% of the people in here,but the people to blame for all these old trucks being available for export is today's drivers.If I have big trucking company made up of old R models with 300's and 5 speeds and Cruiseliners,and MH's on camelback, and my competion has brand new Visions,,Volvos,KW's and Petes with A/C,CD players,heat,P/S,air ride,autoshift,cruise,big bunks and fancy seats,whose seats are going to be filled??????Granted there are a few of us hardcore guys that drive the old equipment with pride and are damned happy doing so,but we are very,very ,very few and far between when it comes to the big picture. And the days of Overnite and Smith Transfer and Matlack are gone,guys,They'd buy new F's and R's run them 10 years and fefurb them and run them some more.When they finally got traded,there was a good US market for them,farmers,local haulers,poor O/O's all ran old R's and F's and U's but now those same farmers and other 2nd hand buyers want 379 Petes with 425 Cats,and W900's and Classic FL's and the ones that don't give a shit buy the IH 9400's and Volvo's and Columbias.OK,so we got all these R models and DM's and MH's and Superliners on the market,chances are good that the some if not most of the best will find good homes here,then we got the ones nobody wants.The guys in Africa and S.America have some of the toughest conditions on the planet and they need the toughest trucks on the planet,and they got the money,which unfortunately $$$ means alot more to Joe Trucksalesman than the history of Mack trucks.So they buy up the old ones right and left,and parts right and left.Now,contrary to what some of you have seen and heard,Most of these trucks get cared for as good or better there than here.Yes,there are some that don't,but there are some that don't here too.Look at the pics from Puerto Rico that EM285 posts,those guys down there love there Macks too.So,what do we do?One thing you can do if you don't like Macks leaving the country is go out,put your money where your mouth is and each person in here needs to buy 150 Macks,already got my 150,so I'm done.What is there 3000 memebers or so?that's 450,000 trucks saved,problem solved.Otherwise just sit back and save the ones you can,and hope the rest go to the good homes,where they continue to uphold the old Mack legacy as the Greatest Name in Trucks.I'm done,throw stones if you like.
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Posted by Superdog on 17 February 2013 - 12:08 AM
Posted by David on 22 February 2013 - 09:49 PM
Posted by daveigou on 18 April 2013 - 07:13 PM
Might as well get an F model thread started. The white F model was part of the Sindall fleet from New Holland Pa.
The black one was a unit in the Bill Rollman fleet, from Lititz, Pa.
I don't make it a practice to post pictures that I didn't take, but in this case, the first picture is mine, the others are from Bill's personal collection. Bill is well known for operating a fleet of some of the nicest Macks you'll ever see.
Posted by David on 16 February 2013 - 08:29 PM
DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted project which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it.
WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light . Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, 'Oh sh--!'
SKIL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short.
PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters.
BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs.
HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle... It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.
VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.
OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race.
TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity.
HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.
BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge.
TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect.
PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.
STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws and butchering your palms.
PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part.
HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short.
HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.
UTILITY KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use.
SON-OF-A-BITCH TOOL: (A personal favorite!) Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling 'Son of a BITCH!' at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need.
Hope you found this informative.It's coupled with a community service project I am working on. There is no need to send me a thank you note. .....Anonymous
Posted by Barry on 04 February 2013 - 06:01 PM
Here is my response to Mr. Faust's last email...even though I will never win an argument with a fellow like this, it is just too much fun to try!
You are missing the point...I agree that I along with any photographer would not like my images printed in a book with someone else’s credit line. However, when images are downloaded or hot linked from Hank’s, they have your watermark on the bottom of every image, so you are getting credit for taking the photo when posted somewhere on the internet. My forum members are not posting them for profit or trying to steal credit for taking them...sometimes the photos will even come up in a Google Image Search and they have no idea where they are served from. They just enjoy posting and sharing photos of Mack and other antique and classic trucks with their friends on the forum. We are not the evil, photo stealing internet marauders that you think we are! At the end of the day, you can believe what you want about copyrights and intellectual property but I’m glad you aren’t a member of BMT...judging by the attitude and animosity you show towards the thousands of truck enthusiasts we have as members in our community, I’m sure you wouldn’t fit in very well.Thanks for the debate and have a great evening.Barry
Posted by keg1 on 10 February 2013 - 06:07 PM
Pictures of my old 69 r model 237 with 2 stick 6 speed. Was leased to Waste Conversion in Souderton PA at the time. Ran 2 rounds a week Jersey to Michigan slept across the seats and my wife slept on floor under dash. good ole days. Ran it for 2 years tnen bought the 84 and put 36" star class sleeper on it. A little more comfortable. It had a 300 and 9 speed. Wish i still had them
Posted by Vision 386 on 04 February 2013 - 08:02 PM
Thank you Barry for responding to this matter in the gentlemanly way you did! i for one certainly appreaciate the effort,especially since it was my post/picture that seems to have caused the problem.............................................Mark
Personally,i thought this was about the old truck/Mack hobby,not a pissing contest,my intent of the thread was to show the varied trucks i grew up with in my beloved former home state,maybe educate and promote the hobby at the same time.
But evidently that is not how it was percieved. So i take full responsiblity for my own actions,and can assure all the members at "hanks" that NO picture will ever be used,copied,posted,looked at,sold or anything else (at least by me)
from this day forward! nor will the site be viewed (by me) or reccomended to anyone by me looking for a specific make/model photo as it has been in the past. I have always tried to include in any post where the picture came from,if not taken by myself,
credit where credit is due PERIOD! and just so you know,I HAVE e-mailed several of the members asking for permission to use a certain photo ,and have NEVER recieved a reponse from ANY of them,NOT ONCE!
So have no fear,i will not e-mail anyone over there anymore,just keep them! i could understand if we were using the pics to make money,or for some other unsatisfactory use,advertizing etc. but only for personal use? really? i would think the members
would be happy the pics are used in such a way, TO PROMOTE THE TRUCK HOBBY! guess i was wrong! i guess we are a different breed over here at BMT,and proud to be!................................Mark (AKA Vision386)
Posted by 84superdog on 06 June 2013 - 05:55 PM
Every President has went to Normandy since 1945 ,except for 5 times....2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 disgraceful sure a show of disrespect.
I am going to make this one post then I will have to ignore this thread or I will get a kind of mad few have seen in me. My grandfather was a gunner on a troop ship at Normandy and saw many going and coming both vertical and horizontal, he never spoke about what happened there rill his last few years as Im sure it made an indelible impression on him. I saw the same in Iraq and after I came home from members of all branches of the military, all the members of our armed forces deserve our gratitude no matter where or when they served and all great battle fields where men died to protect and defend those that could not should be places held in the highest regard. I have no words to descibe my utter discontent for someone that holds the office of commander in chief that thinks otherwise, or feels that they are too good or too busy to take the time to show their respect. To all those here on BMT that have served thank you and to your family members you can thank them for me, its not just the service member that sacrifices but their friends and family as well.
Posted by Maddog13407 on 07 April 2013 - 07:13 PM
was in downtown Albany Ny last week and snapped these pictures of the original Albany Mack Sales before they moved to the old railroad building then onto another building in Rensaleer. amazin this place still is standing. the Brockway building is about a block down the road from the Mack garage on Broadway street
Posted by kscarbel on 27 February 2013 - 08:04 PM
The off-highway truck business, not unlike the municipal bus and fire apparatus sectors, are extremely challenging. Over the last 100 years, the off-highway business required very unique individuals with the rare ability to make money in a seemingly impossible environment.
Mack Trucks was a leader in the off-highway business for almost 50 years. Many other names are also no longer with us, including Euclid and Autocar. American companies in the business today include Terex, Electro-Motive Diesel (now a CAT subsidiary) and Caterpillar. Unfortunately, foreign companies like Komatsu and Liebherr have taken a large market share.
From Mack super-duty APs at the Boulder Dam to FCSWs and NWs at the Panama Canal, many of our country's greatest engineering achievements were carried on the back of Mack off-highway trucks. Personally, I regret that Mack wasn't in a position to launch the next generation of off-highway product that would have replaced the M-series range.
Let us never forget.
Note the international presence of Mack Trucks (on page 10). But not today. Volvo has reined in Mack, as Volvo feels their brand is the preferred global brand. Volvo doesn't want the Mack brand competing with the Volvo brand in most global markets. Mack is now but a nameplate, a Volvo Group brand, used as Volvo sees fit.
Posted by 2stacksuperdog on 27 February 2013 - 04:37 PM
Saw this video of when it was new.
Posted by Barry on 04 February 2013 - 07:17 AM
Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know that Chris Sissick contacted me over the use of one of his Mack Truck photos in this post:
Here is the original message that I received on Feb 4, 2013:
My name is Chris Sissick and I am writing you to inform you that my
picture was used my a member of your forum without my permission. It was
brought to my attention by a friend who is registered to use your site.
I am not a member. The photo was taken from Hanks Truck Pictures. Com.
Be advised that there is a disclaimer on every one of Hank's pages..
The photo is located on, Antique & Classic Mack Trucks, Jersey
Mack's, Page 13 under post for Apgar Bros. by Vision 386. The photo is
All pictures on Hankstruckpictures are copyrighted and noted with a
copyright symbol. Please remove this photo immediately. You may contact
me at firstname.lastname@example.org. I am looking forward to your reply.
He was polite and simply requested removal as per Hanks Truck Pictures Copyrighting so I replied with the following statement:
My forum is a non profit medium for the promotion of the antique truck hobby
and also peer to peer support for Mack Trucks. I'll remove your image as
requested but I am sure that all 10,000 plus BMT members will find it
interesting that Hank's Truck Pictures and the Chris Sissick Collection are
overly stingy about the fair use of their photos for non profit purposes
plus I don't even know how you can copyright a photo of someone else's
trucks that contain company logos? Do you have their permissions to use
these images? Your water mark is also intact on the photo as per fair use
requirements so I'm really not seeing the great concern. I am a graphic
artist, photographer and web designer myself and I understand and appreciate
your feelings on this issue but you have to understand that if you upload
something to the internet, it will more than likely be hot linked on many
other sites or downloaded for many other reasons. I have begun to
appreciate the hot linking of my material and I even encourage it as long as
my watermarks stay intact...but, to each their own...
I'll remove the image as I mentioned, I just wanted you to know that you
should think of the repercussions that your photo policing, strong arm
policies may have on all the truck fans and hobbyists out there. Again, I
appreciate the email but I want you see our side of the issue and also
understand that images linked on my forums are not for profit or anything
Have a great day...
As I mentioned in the reply, I will remove his image as requested or until I receive a reply of agreement with him or Hanks. Also, until any agreements are made, consider this post a heads up to how Mr. Sissick and Hanks Truck Pictures prefer to treat a non profit website, and it's valued members, that promote antique truck history! I have never once gone after anyone linking photos from our photo galleries and I don't intend on ever doing so unless someone is using images for profit. Then I agree that it is wrong.
Posted by farmer52 on 28 January 2013 - 06:35 PM
Having now been retired for a while, I sometimes have to create opportunities to keep my deductive reasoning skills sharp.
Did some things around the farm today, and after doing so I sat down and had a couple nice cold beers. The day was gorgeous, and the brew facilitated some deep thinking on various topics.
Finally, I thought about the age old question: Is giving birth more painful than getting kicked in the nuts? Women always maintain that giving birth is way more painful than a guy getting kicked in the nuts.
Well, after another beer, and some heavy deductive thinking, I have come up with the answer to that question. Getting kicked in the nuts is more painful than having a baby; and here is the reasoning behind my conclusion. A year or so after giving birth, a woman will often say, "It might be nice to have another child."
On the other hand, you never hear a guy say, "You know, I think I would like another kick in the nuts."
I rest my case . . . still sharp as a tack.